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Kurt Atzmuller
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Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 05:52 pm, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Guys i'm about to go 1.5j with 264-272 cams but..

I'm getting confused now which turbo or turbo's to go for..

I could stick with twin ct12as and find their absolute limits with more mods i've been dreaming up!

Or.. i could go a single turbo setup i have most bits i need bar a turbo for that..

Or.. i could go a compound turbo setup which i've wanted to do for a while now..

What do you guys think? I can make it all myself, but i'm weighing towards the compound setup just to be a bit different also.

Cheers for any input guys!
Tai Johnsen
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Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 06:05 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a turbo you could use!

Re: compound setup. I like the idea, but it doesn't follow my KISS principles. My head hurts just thinking about the piping, let alone all the water and oil connections!
Kurt Atzmuller
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Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 06:41 pm, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ahh Tai pipework is up my alley... yes its a lot of work but its the pipework that's swaying me that way! Lol
Evan Kaio
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Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 07:49 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Compound. Nuff said.
Kurt Atzmuller
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Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 08:17 pm, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes Evan its an appealing setup! I want to hear the 2 turbos spooling up one after the other..
Ali Saeed
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Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 09:24 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Compound turbos are notoriously hard to get working properly.
Depending on your power goals, single turbo gt30 or gt35 size
Kurt Atzmuller
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Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 09:33 pm, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

But that's been done a thousand times Ali.
I have a single turbo setup in reserve so maybe something like that.
Ali Saeed
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Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 09:53 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

theres a reason why its been done a 1000 times..
Kurt Atzmuller
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Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 10:04 pm, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes but i don't want to be like everyone else.. i want to do something different! I need a challenge thats why i want to stay away from a single.
Mark Tierney
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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 07:30 am, by:  Mark Tierney (Mark_t) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Compound setups are complex but if you have the skills & patience to build it yourself, the gains are there. Go for it, id love to see this setup running in a soarer. it would be sooo much fun to drive.

Marc Evans from boost logic had a setup like this running in his 300zx that used to eat his competitors. This cool lil vid makes me salivate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Me6yWApzY

Titan motorsports/suprastore have also released a kit that is built by boostlogic. unfortunately no nitti gritti specs for obvious reasons.
http://www.titanmotorsports.com/bolosucotuki.html

I'm not sure how the cops would go if they found you running it. I think an engineers certificate on this kinda setup would be a nightmare to get passed (unless you have a mate that can help)

Plenty of us will be watching with bated breath if you go this path.

btw, Someone on the forum went recored 2860's through Monroe....did they work out or were the cores too large for the 12a's to cope with ???
Jack Lloyd
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Northern Territory
JZZ30 TT

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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 09:26 am, by:  Jack Lloyd (J_lloyd) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Twin Gtx28s Kurt, that would be crazy on a 1.5J, especially with staggered cams.
Kurt Atzmuller
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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 10:34 am, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark i'd love to see the look on the policemans face when the bonnet pops up! Would be very funny indeed!
I'll have a look at your links when i get some more time tonight.

Jack i have this half finished setup i've been working on here and there for a while using 2 kkr 330 turbos which would also be a lot of fun on a 2j.


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James Buchan
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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 12:26 pm, by:  James Buchan (Jrbuch) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've got a spare vvti 1J head, and am interested in your 2j route Kurt.. Could always go a 2j bottom end myself.

Anyway, for me, I'd max out those little CT12's first and see what they can actually do, and go from there. Maybe adapt some 2JZ-GTE turbos to fit, or go something along the lines of GM highflows..
Daniel Clarke
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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 12:33 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A nice precision 5858 would have insane response !!!
Kurt Atzmuller
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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 12:56 pm, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

But not have the top end of a gt45!
Tai Johnsen
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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 05:13 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I didn't like the look of the silicone joiner right next to the exhaust in that compound vid..

Do it tho!
Kurt Atzmuller
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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 07:09 pm, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've seen that you tube clip before crazy setup! Should have put some heat wrap in there for that silicon hose. That would fix that.
Almost 7 grant for that compound kit lucky i can make it all myself!
Kurt Atzmuller
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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 07:11 pm, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Daniel Clarke
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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 07:24 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hp is overrated ... A gtx45 might come on boost by the finish line ... Might ;)
Kurt Atzmuller
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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 07:39 pm, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It really would need to be matched and use the right size turbos..
if the small one came one at 1800-2000rpm and the large one around 4000-4500rpm. Gt45 might be to big.

I'd go for a kkr380 for the small one would spool up at 1600-2000rpm.

Would be best to make this smaller turbo setup first and try it out with the small one on and then try to find a turbo that'll kick in just before the small one starts flattening off power wise.
It would need a 45-50mm external gate on the small turbo so theres plenty off bypass flow in the higher revs and one of my 40mm gates i already have would be fine on the larger turbo.
Could run a seperate boost controller on each turbo or just one on the large turbo which would always need to run more boost than the smaller turbo.
Blake Gloyn
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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 09:16 pm, by:  Blake Gloyn (Blakenz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

in a compound set up, the larger turbo is brought on much faster than normal. it's not like a sequential system, where you have to worry about where one flattens off and the other one starts etc
Kurt Atzmuller
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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 09:22 pm, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok i'd wondered if that would happen Blake. Would be a bit of guesswork in it then.
Robert Day
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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 09:44 pm, by:  Robert Day (Lexsmaz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

With the above pic i wonder if it's much of a restriction running the intake through the small turbo the whole time, obviously all good when its running on the small turbo but once the exhaust is directed towards the bigger turbo & the big turbo is working hard its still passing the intake air through the compressor housing of the small turbo as well, but the small turbo is not running as hard now because the exhaust has been re-directed to the big turbo, so could the small turbo Now slow down the flow of intake air ??? ..

If it was me i would put a by-pass pipe in between the intake side of the small turbo & the outlet of the small turbo that opens up when the second turbo starts to boost up strongly, so basically intake boosted air from the big turbo would then by pass the small turbo at high boost ..
Kurt Atzmuller
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Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 10:35 pm, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I reckon you could probably pump more boost through that smaller turbo comp cover when its already boosting.
But only one way to find out!
Tai Johnsen
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Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 07:51 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Like Kurt said, i'm pretty sure when you are pushing the air into it, it doesn't 'know' that the air is already compressed.

I wonder what happens with the shaft speed of the smaller turbo tho

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