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Kanchana Pathirana
Tinkerer
victoria
3ltr straight 6

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Monday, May 22, 2006 - 03:57 pm, by:  Kanchana Pathirana (Kan83) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i know optimax is cleaner for the injectors, dont get me wrong thats what i use, but does it make a difference in mileage and power??

has anyone tried normal unleaded, i really dont care about power but the mileage?

anyone got experiences?
Daniel Clarke
TryHard
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

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Monday, May 22, 2006 - 04:04 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kanchana, All of japans tuned performance vehicles, were designed and tuned to run on 100RON Unleaded fuel. The closest we have is 98 in most cases, so this is why its advised to use 98 octane fuel. Also, usinf a lower Rated fuel, Normal unleaded at 92 ron as opposed to 98, means the engine is more prone to detonation and running hotter. This can be bad.

I have always found to get better performance and economy out of 95 and 98 fuel. 92 rated fuel or normal unleaded is ok on cars designed for them, like your average Falcon or comodore 6 cylinders.

So appart from making the most power from fuels, Its not about power for all of us or most of us. Its about using what is closest to the manufacturers recommendation. Open up a filler cap on most HSV's and FPV's and it says PREMIUIM UNLEADED ONLY.

I hope this helps you a little, and im sure more people will add some more comments to help you out :-)
Jeff Harper
Trader
NSW
UZZ32 Active V8

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Monday, May 22, 2006 - 05:44 pm, by:  Jeff Harper (Jeffh) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It does nothing for my V8
Simon Triantafillou
DieHard
NSW
Soarer Turbo

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Monday, May 22, 2006 - 06:51 pm, by:  Simon Triantafillou (Soarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Even 10 litres of 95 octane Unleaded mixed with 98 makes a massive difference in my car. Mind you, it's hardly stock.
Simon Triantafillou
DieHard
NSW
Soarer Turbo

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Monday, May 22, 2006 - 07:13 pm, by:  Simon Triantafillou (Soarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The body panels are still stock... does that count? Hehehe.
Sean Tusler
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NSW
JZZ30 TT

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Monday, May 22, 2006 - 07:16 pm, by:  Sean Tusler (Viperlover55) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A whole tank of optimax got me 465km. A whole tank of regular unleaded got me 390km. Same type of driving and same distances from work and back.

I think its worth the extra 7 or 8 bucks per tank to get 75 more km out of it.
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
V8 manual

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Monday, May 22, 2006 - 07:21 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kanchana, is your question whether 98 improves mileage (as it appears to ask) or whether that improvement is worth the difference in price?

Over a year ago I wrote on the old ALSC that I recorded a clear improvement in mileage (across a few months) but proportionately less than the difference in price. So far as I recall, the experience of many other people here is consistent with that experience.

When the price increases then the value of shifting to the higher octane improves, yet the instinctive reaction of many buyers is to save cash by avoiding the more expensive 98 in those circumstances.

For clarity, these questions do not affect me because my car is tuned specifically for 98, for performance reasons in which you are not interested, so I would lose all round by purchasing the cheaper lower octanes even if the price were to fall.
Jeff Harper
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NSW
UZZ32 Active V8

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Monday, May 22, 2006 - 07:56 pm, by:  Jeff Harper (Jeffh) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I switched off my climate control and got nearly another 80k out of a tank, now that's good!
Paul Brockbank
DieHard
WA
Soarer TT

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Monday, May 22, 2006 - 08:02 pm, by:  Paul Brockbank (Brockas) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Simon Triantafillou wrote on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 06:51 pm:

Even 10 litres of 95 octane Unleaded mixed with 98 makes a massive difference in my car. Mind you, it's hardly stock.



For sure.

Here in WA we ran out of 98 octane fuel for 2 weeks, had to use 95 + octane booster. Still pinged HARD.
Had to stay off boost for a week or so.
Simon Triantafillou
DieHard
NSW
Soarer Turbo

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Monday, May 22, 2006 - 08:15 pm, by:  Simon Triantafillou (Soarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep, same symptoms as mine. Power output drops around 65kW at the wheels if I run lower rating fuel :-(
Dragan Vidic
DieHard
Vic
soarer tt

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Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 04:42 am, by:  Dragan Vidic (Soarer_ttt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

dont use optimax....use BP ultimate or mobil
Matthew Sharpe
DieHard
North Island
3.0 GT

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Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 06:07 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My mower doesn't even run properly on 91...
Luke Nieuwhof
DieHard
WA
Soarer TT

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Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 07:35 am, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just go for Ultimate and be done with it, the extra mileage makes the price worth it in my case. Plus as said it's better for your car.
Mike Mortimer
Tinkerer
VIC
Soarer TT

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Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 12:14 pm, by:  Mike Mortimer (Mikemort) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Didn't realise that there was THAT much difference, will be using 98 in my TT from now on. BUT, I did get 570km from 60L normal unleaded with some town driving... Not too shabby!

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Praveen Pathmanathan
Tinkerer
Vic
TT

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Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 01:30 pm, by:  Praveen Pathmanathan (Ppp) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey, why not use optimax?? why is ultimate better, i was told that optimax was better for higher revs, i guess i was wrong, i just figured 98 is 98 no matter which place you get it from
Daniel Czechowski
Goo Roo
Western Australia
Soarer GT-T

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Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 01:41 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matthew Sharpe wrote on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 06:07 am:

My mower doesn't even run properly on 91...




If it's one of those than I'm not surprised

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Will Adams
TryHard
WA
Soarer GT-TL

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Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 01:45 pm, by:  Will Adams (Draco) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Daniel Clarke wrote on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 04:04 pm:

So appart from making the most power from fuels, Its not about power for all of us or most of us. Its about using what is closest to the manufacturers recommendation. Open up a filler cap on most HSV's and FPV's and it says PREMIUIM UNLEADED ONLY.




Interestingly enough my Soarer has one of these stickers on the inside of the lid that says UNLEADED ONLY. It even has the original Japanese writing on it which I assume means the same thing (same font & colour). How does this explain it then?
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
V8 manual

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Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 02:13 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Unleaded as opposed to Leaded, Will. It is not commenting on the grade of unleaded.

My Lexus (the one sold new in Australia) also merely says Unleaded in the filler. In the manual it recommends a minimum of 95 but grants that the car can be driven on 92 if that is all that is available.
Will Adams
TryHard
WA
Soarer GT-TL

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Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 02:57 pm, by:  Will Adams (Draco) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Vaughan wrote on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 02:13 pm:

Unleaded as opposed to Leaded, Will




Yeah well that is obvious David!
Dragan Vidic
DieHard
Vic
soarer tt

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Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 03:04 pm, by:  Dragan Vidic (Soarer_ttt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hahaha

thats madddd
Clayton Webb
TryHard
South Australia
'31 V8

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Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 04:48 pm, by:  Clayton Webb (Clackers) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Praveen Pathmanathan wrote on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 01:30 pm:

ey, why not use optimax?? why is ultimate better, i was told that optimax was better for higher revs, i guess i was wrong, i just figured 98 is 98 no matter which place you get it from




I think it's because Ultimate and 8000 has a minimum rating of 98 but Optimax has maximum of 98. Sneakily worded! Just my 2 cents though!
Paul Brockbank
DieHard
WA
Soarer TT

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Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 06:55 pm, by:  Paul Brockbank (Brockas) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Will Adams wrote on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 01:45 pm:

Interestingly enough my Soarer has one of these stickers on the inside of the lid that says UNLEADED ONLY. It even has the original Japanese writing on it which I assume means the same thing (same font & colour). How does this explain it then?



Because it's a Jap car.
Jap unleaded fuels are 100 octane or more.
Doesn't need to say 'PREMIUM'.

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