Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 05:22 pm, by: Mark Pattel (Mark1414)
Hey,
I have had my Soarer for just over a week now, i have been driving it heaps and loving it. When we bought the car we knew the battery was on the way out, the guy we bought it from said the car wouldn't start because the battery was dead. He charged it for us and i haven't had any trouble starting it since.
Now on Saturday night i went for a cruise the car was running perfectly, on Tuesday i tried to start it with no luck. It was turning over but not starting, i thought maybe the car has a certain level of voltage the battery must be at to start or something like that ?? Anyways i charged up the battery overnight, cleaned it and put it back in. The car is turning over but not starting, what should i do ??
I tried using "search" and read through all the articles with no problem the same as mine.I reset the ECU, that didn't fix it.
What can i do by myself before i have to spend money and buy new parts ?? i haven't paid off the car yet.
Friday, June 23, 2006 - 12:27 am, by: Daniel Clarke(Dieseltrain)
When it comes to batteries, Its always best to buy a new one. Should cost between $80-$120. Comes with at least 2 year warranty and should solve your problems. I neva muck around with em, once they go, or drop a plate, they is FUBAR.
Friday, June 23, 2006 - 06:29 am, by: Matthew Sharpe(Madmatt)
If the car is turning over well, but still not starting, it could well be something more serious (or less!) - Start with fuel - check the tank level (yeah, I know its stupid, but just last year I got caught out with what I thought was 1/4th of a tank, but turned out the gauge was faulty and with the hill I was parked on the car just wasn't getting any) then check fuel is getting to the engine. After that, check electricals - are you getting a spark?
Friday, June 23, 2006 - 07:32 am, by: Marius Hainal(Torque)
If the engine is turning over , it is NOT the battery ; there's no such thing as "not enough" voltage , as the (over) 100 Amps drained by the starter motor are way way more than what the engine needs to run...
there is such thing as "not enough voltage", pretty sure no car will run under roughly 11 volts. Computers run the car, computers need a certain voltage to run them selves.
Friday, June 23, 2006 - 09:35 am, by: Marius Hainal(Torque)
I strongly disagree... With a good alternator , the car's electronics are kept at the needed voltage of 12 V give or take 1/2 of volt. And that is as soon as you tick the engine over 300 RPM's ( roughly the speed of the starter motor ).
How do you explain then that you can start a manual car with a dead battery ( no battery in fact )by pushing it in second gear ?
There is no "computers" in the car . The only thing that has memory and a cpu is the ECU , all other electronics have a few dedicated Integrated circuits for specialised tasks . Those are made of milions of transistors ( and may contain firmware , hence memory to run a specific algorithm ) , nothing else.
Friday, June 23, 2006 - 01:19 pm, by: Mark Pattel (Mark1414)
Thanks for the replies, the reason i don't think it is the battery is because it is turning over but not firing. My father said it isn;t the spark plugs either. We where thinking an electrical problem ? The fuel gauge says halfway between empty and 1/4, the car is parked on even ground.
Does anyone know if there are any electrical faults Soarers get and how to diagnose them ?
Friday, June 23, 2006 - 07:26 pm, by: Mark Pattel (Mark1414)
Brett we checked the fuel Line it is pumping fuel, i would say its probably a electrical problem. I just have no idea what to do next. Anyone had a similar problem ?
Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 06:46 pm, by: Nenmar Bisso(Lexply)
hey mark, my soarer had a similar problem, i took it to the mechanics, and it turned out to be the starter motor. Even though i thought it was fine, sounded ok, but jus double check yours is working fine. I never expected it to be that, but you just dont know. Good luck mate
Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 06:29 pm, by: Brett Lauria(Brett_lauria)
Check all of your fuses it maybe your ignition fuse or the injector fuse remember that when your fuel pump is on the way out it the pump might only work some times. you say the car is cranking at normal speeds so i doubt it would be a starter
Monday, June 26, 2006 - 12:46 pm, by: Mark Pattel (Mark1414)
Marius you are the first person to post something i agree with, yesterday with some playing around we also come to that conclusion so it is good to have someone agree with that. On that note does anyone know anything about the crank angle sensor, eg where is it (that's the first problem) and also how much are they to buy roughly ?
Monday, June 26, 2006 - 01:07 pm, by: Marius Hainal(Torque)
I would think if Neil could see this , he would know where they are; on the old Holdens they are on the distributor. ( Again , we are talking about cars here , Holden does not live up to that title )
I wouldn't be surprised if these engines have 2 of them , one for each cam or something...
Monday, June 26, 2006 - 06:12 pm, by: Brett Lauria(Brett_lauria)
well they definatley dont run off the harmonic balancer like all holden v6's vn not visable from the out side the crank angle sensors are probably not nessasary because there are two cam angle sensors I have the head off mine at the moment they are located on the inlet side of the head on the inlet cam one inbetween the cyl 3 and 4 and one between 5 and 6 it could be the connector plugs to either one of those
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