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Michael Marchant
Tinkerer
Victoria
Soarer UZZ32 V8

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Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 11:15 pm, by:  Michael Marchant (Mavric) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have had some issues over the last couple of weeks so I thought I would post what has happened should any of you guys experience the same problems....

So I was driving home a couple of weeks ago and whilst sitting in traffic happily listening to the stereo I hear a "bing" from the car. I look down to see a Japanese warning which I quickly figure out was the car overheating due to the temperature gauge being off the chart. I swear, pull over, swear again and stop the car. After waiting for the traffic to clear and the car to cool down I topped up with water and drove home.

The next day I had the car checked over by Sports & Luxury cars and Doug tells me the water pump is starting to leak and will need replacing. I knew this was coming so it wasn't a big surprise. Only problem was I couldn't book the car in for a couple of weeks as they were so busy. Generally the pump should last at least a few weeks before going fully tits up....

Then last night I was driving home from the gym when the engine starts to stutter like its having trouble getting fuel. So I pull over into a car park, swear and get on the phone to Da Boss. After suspecting the fuel pump ECU, we tried the diagnostic trick to bypass it but the car still wouldn't start. It was getting late and I didn't want to leave my pride and joy where it was so I swear one more time and call the tow truck.

This afternoon I get home and take a look at the cam belt after speaking with Doug at S&L. Low and behold it had nothing to do with the fuel system (which Rob and I originally suspected), it was a shredded cam belt.

Check out the pictures below....





No wonder the bloody thing wouldn't start! From my limited knowledge I have assumed that the water pump has seized causing the cam belt to kill itself. NOT GOOD!

So now this week will be taken up by changing the water pump, welsh plug, timing belt, cam belt and whatever else needs doing along the way.
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Friday, November 10, 2006 - 06:56 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yup, that'd be it allright.
Greg Badger
Newbie
NSW
V8 UZZ31

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Friday, November 10, 2006 - 09:59 pm, by:  Greg Badger (Baldas) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The cam belt probably looks like this and don't forget the bearings


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Michael Marchant
Tinkerer
Victoria
Soarer UZZ32 V8

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Friday, November 10, 2006 - 10:06 pm, by:  Michael Marchant (Mavric) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheers Greg. First thing Monday morning everything will be revealed when we strip it to change the belt and water pump. I will go over everything else while im at it as I don't want to have to touch it again for something like a bearing or pulley.
Adam Lonergan
TryHard
Victoria
UZZ32

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Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 12:44 am, by:  Adam Lonergan (Alchemistal) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good to hear the Boss is doing a telephone warranty service on his cars.

My plan is to get my car up to Neil for preventative work (belt, idler, tensioner) before this happens to me. He just needs to hurry up getting his FULL strut service sorted out so I can do both at the same time.
Robert Davies
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qld
both

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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 10:19 am, by:  Robert Davies (Blueone) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

what is the thing on the far right? (damn newbies)
Blaine Hanson
TryHard
WA
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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 08:14 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My condolences.
Greg Badger
Newbie
NSW
V8 UZZ31

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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 09:51 pm, by:  Greg Badger (Baldas) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The thing on the far right is the middle bit from the bearing in the middle of Neil's pics. The ball bearings are melted to what's left of the seal (that the crusty bit on the side of the metal ring) When I purchased my car 4 years ago it has a seized water pump and the previous owner kept driving it until this happened.

The friction generated by the timing belt going around the seized pump heated everything to the point where it actually all fell apart. The previous owner had pulled it all apart just before the repo company took the car away. I bought it at auction as a wreck.

The best thing was that after replacing the water pump, timing belt and bearing bits the engine fired up perfectly - that was 60,000km ago.

I maybe a 'Newbie' on Soarer Central but I have been reading and writing (not that often mind you) since the ALSC forum days - with the number of posts I make I will probably still be a newbie in another 4 years time.

Here's what the pump looked like.


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Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8

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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 09:55 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice photo too!
Michael Marchant
Tinkerer
Victoria
Soarer UZZ32 V8

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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 10:20 pm, by:  Michael Marchant (Mavric) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This was what we found after we pulled the cover plate off... (yes thats a large percentage of the cam belt)



I will get some more shots of it before we put it all back together.

With any luck the car will be ready to go Monday arvo (not a moment too soon), I miss driving it!
Peter Nitschke
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South Australia
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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 10:57 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ripper! No bent valves stems? Not meaning to scare you, just curious as I don't think there would be.
Michael Marchant
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Victoria
Soarer UZZ32 V8

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Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 12:14 am, by:  Michael Marchant (Mavric) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Peter Nitschke wrote on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 10:57 pm:

Ripper! No bent valves stems? Not meaning to scare you, just curious as I don't think there would be.



I really hope not! I personally don't know how to test for that but the mechanic hasn't mentioned anything to that effect. When it happened the car lost power and started stuttering (for lack of a better word) like it was being starved of fuel then I pulled over and stopped the engine (I was doing about 15-20Km/h when it happened). I didn't hear anything out of the ordinary that could indicate a bent valve. I will know more on Monday morning.
Peter Nitschke
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Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 12:42 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good luck, I hope it purrs along nicely. :-)
Michael Marchant
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Victoria
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Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 10:20 am, by:  Michael Marchant (Mavric) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Peter, I will report back early next week.
Tim Appleton
TryHard
QLD
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Monday, November 20, 2006 - 08:19 am, by:  Tim Appleton (Timbo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd be interested to find out if you've bent any valve stems. I've heard conflicting reports about whether the Non-VVTi 1UZ-FE is interference or not. Most report that it is not, so I doubt you'll have any issues.
Andrew Ferres
TryHard
WA
'86 Cressida V8, '84 Soarer V8, '90 C-F Celsior V8

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Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 11:42 am, by:  Andrew Ferres (Peewee) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Early nonVVTi 1UZ is NON interference.

I can 100% guarantee that fact.
Michael Marchant
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Victoria
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Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 12:10 pm, by:  Michael Marchant (Mavric) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Andrew Ferres wrote on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 11:42 am:

Early nonVVTi 1UZ is NON interference.

I can 100% guarantee that fact.



Thats good to hear. The car is being put back together as we speak so hopefully I can back that up by the end of the day!
Tim Appleton
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Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 01:34 pm, by:  Tim Appleton (Timbo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sweet. Thanks Andrew.
Michael Marchant
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Victoria
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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 09:02 pm, by:  Michael Marchant (Mavric) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys, well I finally got my car back today and everything is ok. No bent valves, no tappet noise, nothing, just a sweet running V8 which is noticeably quieter than before.
I ended up replacing the following parts

Water pump
Cam belt
Idler Bearing
Tensioner Assembly
Tensioner
Serpetine belt
welsh plug(s)
distributor caps
rotor buttons
cam seals

I am also going to replace the spark plugs and leads in the next month or so.

Its a pleasure to be driving it again, it really puts so many other cars to shame!
Adam Lonergan
TryHard
Victoria
UZZ32

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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 09:04 pm, by:  Adam Lonergan (Alchemistal) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good to hear all is well. I guess your wallet is a little thinner now though.
Peter Nitschke
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Michael Marchant
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Victoria
Soarer UZZ32 V8

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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 09:12 pm, by:  Michael Marchant (Mavric) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Adam Lonergan wrote on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 09:04 pm:

Good to hear all is well. I guess your wallet is a little thinner now though.



Yeah it worked out ok, with all the parts and labour it came to about $1300, but work owes me money so they are covering the labour charge. I guess its still my money but at least I didn't have to pay the whole amount out of savings.
Greg Nikitiuk
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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 10:03 pm, by:  Greg Nikitiuk (Jestr) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Excellent Michael!
32 purring again

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