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Damien Smith
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NSW
Manual UZZ31

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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 09:04 pm, by:  Damien Smith (Damien) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've just had ported heads and 265 degree cams fitted and I picked up my car from the dyno today - 189.3rwkw!

I think I should be able to get more from these cams once I work out where the next bottlenecks are. I suspect it's the long stock intake runners and possibly the exhaust but I just want to enjoy it for a while now.

The spread of power is impressive. Over 180kw from 5500 - 7200rpm. The red line is the before and blue after...


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Michael Marchant
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Soarer UZZ32 V8 finished in Zymol goodness!

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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 09:24 pm, by:  Michael Marchant (Mavric) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow, very impressive Damien! Certainly improved things at the top end of the rev range. 200rwkw aint far away which would be a huge achievement for an N/A 1UZFE, hell 180 is awesome in itself.
Damien Smith
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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 09:43 pm, by:  Damien Smith (Damien) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Certainly will be fun on the track!
Mike Beck
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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 10:12 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow thats amazing. Good on you! :-)

I must get my soarer on the dyno before I do the exhaust in a couple of weeks I really want to see what power its making with the BFI & on 98 octane gas... then do it after the stock headers back exhaust is done :-)

Id hope for over 130rwkw how it is now considering it performed well on the strip achieving a 15.4s
Maurice Diggler
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Victoria
Twin Turbo

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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 10:21 pm, by:  Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Damien, do you have a full list of mods you did to achieve 190rwkw?

Cheers, Maurice.
Phil Gibson
DieHard
WA
'94 black/black UZZ31

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 12:37 am, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Damien couldnt you afford to lean up the AFR slightly to gain even more power? 12:1 i wouldve thought is a bit rich for n/a?

Nevertheless, very impressive result :-)
Damien Smith
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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 08:30 am, by:  Damien Smith (Damien) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I asked the tuner about the AFR but he tries to give value for money with a safe tune and not spend ages trying to squeeze the last out. Nevertheless that's something I'll be happy to pay to see if bringing the AFR closer to 12.5:1 will make much difference.

Maurice, it's all on the site but spread over a number of areas so a quick summary is:

* Lightly Ported heads (bought from Bullet)
* 265 degree cams (again, Bullet)
* ITB's
* Rush Extractors & 2.25" exhaust
* Adaptronic standalone ECU
* 5 speed manual (W58)
* Alloy flywheel (5.5kg)

I think that's all the relevant stuff :-)
Maurice Diggler
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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 10:34 am, by:  Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And a BFI I assume? I did have a look over your site but as you said, I only found bits and pieces lol and couldn't be arsed reading the whole thing again lol.

Your car is a freak of nature, considering people with blowers are making less power, if you charge yours you will knock Neil off the top spot! Go for it son :-)
Samuel Lantiainen
Tinkerer
Qld
V8

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 11:02 am, by:  Samuel Lantiainen (Muli) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i noticed that the cars manual, anyone know how much the dyno figures improve when converting to manual from auto?
Benny Gammelmark
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NSW
V8 UZZ31

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 11:32 am, by:  Benny Gammelmark (Oldfield) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How are you going to change the intake runner length? Your max torque have obviously moved with the ITB's.
Damien Smith
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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 12:17 pm, by:  Damien Smith (Damien) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No BFI as such - it actually sucks air straight out of the engine bay but cool air does get pushed in along the back edge as there's a gap under the CF bonnet. A proper cold air induction setup would be way better but not on the priority list for now.


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Changing the intake runner length would require a new lower manifold section so would be a lot of effort but doable for someone who's a good fabricator.

Samuel, not sure what difference there is with the manual conversion but with TT's there isn't much in it. Ages ago there were some before and after dyno runs done with a TT... it might have been Simon T??
Avin Luther
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vic
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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 01:14 pm, by:  Avin Luther (Lex_luther) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I LOVE THAT CAR OF YOURS DAMIEN..

swap for my granma?
Damien Smith
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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 01:28 pm, by:  Damien Smith (Damien) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm a married man now mate - no more pimping your granma off to me OK!

So are you coming to PI in Feb? Stop being a pussy
David Vaughan
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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 02:13 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Samuel Lantiainen wrote on Thursday, 18 January, 2007:

...anyone know how much the dyno figures improve when converting to manual from auto?


Approximately zero. That is, no difference worth mentioning.

A manual just feels more responsive because it actually connects the engine to the wheels, and drives better on the road because it has five rather than four gears.
Samuel Lantiainen
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V8

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 02:27 pm, by:  Samuel Lantiainen (Muli) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok, just curious as on the commodore ls1 there is a slight difference between auto and manual, the soarer auto might just be more efficient.

Damian, so no more than 5-10kw on a TT as thats not much as the commodores are about 20kw last time i saw some dyno runs comparing them
Avin Luther
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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 02:52 pm, by:  Avin Luther (Lex_luther) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

perhaps they assume different buyers who chose Auto / manual have different desires and as such they tune them differently.
Avin Luther
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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 02:54 pm, by:  Avin Luther (Lex_luther) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

re PI,
i was ALL set to go, eg bonnet restraint, tyres, paid for pads (but they didnt show up) hydrant, then it rained.. spoke to juzza on phone the day before..
then i got defeceted, then i got broke, then i got defeceted again! now i am broke and defeceted!

car is also nearly back to stock!
will see how we go this year.
Damien Smith
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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 02:58 pm, by:  Damien Smith (Damien) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's a terrible run of luck!
Avin Luther
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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 03:40 pm, by:  Avin Luther (Lex_luther) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not all bad luck, First time was..second time: driving in a certain manner to draw attention to ones car
Maurice Diggler
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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 11:28 pm, by:  Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Samuel Lantiainen wrote on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 11:02 am:

i noticed that the cars manual, anyone know how much the dyno figures improve when converting to manual from auto?


I thought that a manual Soarer dyno run in 4th gear was 1:1 and accurate to the dyno software, but a 3rd Gear run in an Auto isn't exactly 1:1, it's more like .93xxx:1 and the figures are slightly lower on an auto.
Matthew Sharpe
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Friday, January 19, 2007 - 06:52 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Avin Luther wrote on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 02:52 pm:

perhaps they assume different buyers who chose Auto / manual have different desires and as such they tune them differently.




Some manufacturers do tune auto's for higher torque (and thus often lower hp)
Simon Triantafillou
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Friday, January 19, 2007 - 08:39 am, by:  Simon Triantafillou (Soarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Damien Smith wrote on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 12:17 pm:

Ages ago there were some before and after dyno runs done with a TT... it might have been Simon T??




It was Andrew Meiers, but I often quote his results. Back to back runs showed a 1kW difference in the same car with the manual conversion being the only difference. I would consider this "difference" irrelevant however. Just too close to call.
Brett Moloney
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Friday, January 19, 2007 - 09:11 am, by:  Brett Moloney (Lxsv8) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Maurice Diggler wrote on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 10:34 am:

Your car is a freak of nature, considering people with blowers are making less power, if you charge yours you will knock Neil off the top spot! Go for it son




Neil are you holding out on some dyno results?

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