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Peter Bullman
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SC400

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Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 07:46 pm, by:  Peter Bullman (Pete) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Guys!!

I was wondering if anyone could tell me HOW MUCH difference it will be for me to just do a 2 1/4 system WITHOUT Rush extractors as opposed to having them..??

I'm just wondering what the over-all difference will be..?? The sound is not a factor here.. just the over-all performance gains...

ie. Has anyone here dyno'd their Soarer BEFORE the exhaust was done and then AFTER a system with Rush Extractors etc was fitted...???

Cheers guys!!

Pete
David Vaughan
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ACT
V8 Ltd manual

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Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 09:03 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I did a before and after on exhaust without extractors. Result was +8%. I already had a BFI, without which there is not a lot of point in touching your exhaust. You need to get air in to the engine to make it work. Getting it out is a second-order problem.
Dan McColl
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Victoria
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Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 09:27 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think there is about a 8-10% gain to be had with the exhaust, and about another 5 or so on top with the rush headers.

As David said, the factory airbox is very restrictive. Search BFI and do it.
Benny Gammelmark
Goo Roo
NSW
V8 UZZ31

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Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 01:59 am, by:  Benny Gammelmark (Oldfield) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I did mine in the other order. BFI last. I went from 144 rwkw to 160 rwkw just by doing the BFI.

A chip will give you somewhere around 15 rwkw. I got 18 with a Unichip. Do the chip as well (if you can afford it). It's worth every penny.
Phil Gibson
DieHard
WA
'94 black/black UZZ31

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Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 03:04 am, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I did the Rush headers first, then a 2.5in twin system at a later date

imo the headers gave a more noticable improvement than the rest of the exhaust...
Mike Beck
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Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 01:56 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just did a cat back dual system and Ive found the results to be pretty good........

It took about .5 sec off my 100km time and Im now on cheap 215 tyres that are worse than my 205s which I needed for the front as they were low on tread... :-)

Its been like this for over a week and wow, its now changed from a nice but kinda tinny v8 burble to a very, very deep and soothing V8 sound... LOVE IT!

Worn in mufflers are superb! It can only get better too :-)
Mark Ribbans
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SA
UZZ-031 V8, 1972 Mazda RX2 Coupe, TE Gemmy

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Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 10:39 pm, by:  Mark Ribbans (V8gtsoarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I haven't done mine yet, but i started a thread ages ago (on the old forum i think) and Pete32 (of planetsoarer fame) said that performance wise you'd be better off doing the headers first, since the stock manifold is a shocker.
Mark Northcott
DieHard
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UZZ30

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Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 03:42 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'll be able to answer this question next week :-)
Soarer is being dyno'd with a repaired ecu as was faulty, and 2 1/4 cat back which in the past has made 141rwkw but going to re-run anyways and then when the gear box gets dropped to do the rear main Neil's headers are going on and another dyno will be ran :-)

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Then MAYBE a piggyback no one up here really does anything other than Haltech might look at that anyways and also there'll be another toy going on next couple of weeks :-)
Ryan Posselt
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Celsior V8

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Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 02:32 pm, by:  Ryan Posselt (Yakusaryan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

will these headers fit on a celsior V8?
Greg Nikitiuk
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Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 06:31 pm, by:  Greg Nikitiuk (Jestr) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Damian Ware
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Victoria
UZZ32

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Friday, February 16, 2007 - 12:49 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doesn't the Celsior have much better extractors already???
Mike Beck
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Friday, February 16, 2007 - 02:34 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmm yeah dont they have the log ones which are a bit more sporty (not very though) rather than the bendy stupid v8 soarer headers?
Mark Northcott
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UZZ30

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Friday, February 16, 2007 - 05:11 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Update - I haven't forgotten, express post takes a while to get to Darwin and i've been wokring back etc.

Will know end of next week and i will post up then :-)
Mark Northcott
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UZZ30

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 12:44 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok here is the power figure with repaired ecu.
151rwkw consistant lovely curve. Also take into account it would have been around 36degrees and around 40-60% humidity.

When the car was a little cooler it did go to 160rwkw but yeah not claiming that. 151rwkw is on paper which puts me 211hp WOOT I made the 200 mark :-) all because of a faulty ecu I made another 11kw.
Headers should give around 160rwkw and then the nos 230rwkw
Cihan Aday
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"How about a plugin Emanage that makes it boogie?"
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Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 03:31 pm, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doing a 100 shot Mark?
Mark Northcott
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UZZ30

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 04:08 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah 100shot
Just for and giggles LOL.
Track and Dyno use mainly....
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Daniel Clarke
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TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 05:15 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I thought the V8's liked to rev more than that?

Nice power curve though mate, looking good. You need some sort of piggyback on it to trim the fuel back up to 12.8-13.2's and you would gain more top end:-)
Mark Northcott
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UZZ30

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Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 11:01 am, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Phil the graph didn't show mate :-(
I'll have a reading this week, headers are in now, need a new system (old one was 2 1/8") but won't match up now due to the length difference.

Taking it into a guy up here and his going to do his work apparently no-one has had any complaints should be 2.5" now instead, I wanna try and keep out the mufflers again if I am able to, his getting my old system so he'll have a rough idea as to what was on the car.

OH I'll try and get a photo of the cats, but one had a hole through it not really a problem and the other one had collapsed and wasn't allowing a clean passage....
Mark Northcott
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UZZ30

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Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 11:03 am, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WooH where'd your post go Phil :S Now I look like a nutter hahaha
Phil Gibson
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Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 11:05 am, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark i made a separate thread as i had a few questions related to my graph, but yes it will be interesting to see your results as it looks like you have a good 'un :-)

What was your top speed down the 1/4 again? Im running TT ratio diff so im hoping i dont run out of revs before the limiter!
Mark Northcott
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UZZ30

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Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 11:19 am, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

90.18mph
That was running the open wheel diff, zip tie on fuel line, blocked fuel filter, full tank of fuel, full boot inc subs and bags etc also no bfi. I think it was making 160rwhp at that point in time.

Now running a TRD LSD, no zip tie, new fuel filter, won't have the same in the boot I'm only 15mins from Hidden Valley not 2hrs from WSID.
Apparently there's a UZZ31 in Melbourne running 15.05's and it's STOCK as a rock I was told....
Steven Anderson
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UZZ31

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Monday, February 26, 2007 - 08:54 pm, by:  Steven Anderson (Cusscuss) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

FYI i had a talk to Niall today, a full 2 1/4" exhaust with extractors, cats, resonators, mufflers would come to about $3000 with labour and according to Niall it is almost silent on cruise and really opens up when you lean on it. Described it as the best exhaust you could get.

Also highly reccomends you get engin mounts done at the same time, add on another $600.
Mark Northcott
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UZZ30

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Monday, February 26, 2007 - 09:48 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mmm well piss the mufflers off prob save around 400 bucks, took 8hrs to put in the headers (Bang smack on Neil's timing) However lots of engine rocking was involved hahaha and well there was no broken mounts :-) I asked about it but yeah if deciding on an exhaust do the whole system.

Braided lines are in now, goes to TPL tomorrow I think for the rear half of the system as the old one won't meet up. Almost there.
Mark Northcott
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UZZ30

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Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 07:06 am, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK the headers were dyno'd yesterday now putting down 165rwkw at the treads

And there's a 75nos shot on there which puts me at 205rwkw when the bottle is on.

Hope this helps. Basically I scored a 15kw power increase with the headers.
Mark Northcott
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UZZ30

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Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 07:08 am, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b235/MY-91-GT/My%20Car/

On there is the dyno
Unfortunately you don't see the one off the gas but I did see it so yeah.

Hope this helps those who are interested in the headers

my advice would be do the headers 1st so you don't end up paying out twice for the rest of the exahaust

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