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Ashley Leach
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 06:08 pm, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I've just gotten back from having my valve clearances adjusted from Toyota and I'm unhappy to report that there is still a fair bit of ticking in the engine.

Actually come to think of it I don't think getting them adjusted really did much of anything. So I have a question: What else could it be?

Sound coming from both sides of the engine. especially noticeable after the headers and around the passenger side injector rail. I know it's not the injectors as I can hear them running separately.

Is it possible for the intake gaskets to cause a tick if they go?
Brett Moloney
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 06:21 pm, by:  Brett Moloney (Lxsv8) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Oil too thin?
Ashley Leach
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 06:30 pm, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Penrite 10W
Changed it and the filter on Saturday. Shouldn't be too thin.
Gary Morriss
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 06:33 pm, by:  Gary Morriss (Gaza) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Try a thicker oil Ash, see if that makes a difference.
Ashley Leach
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 06:37 pm, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Well I was running 15W up until the weekend and when I changed over to 10W it didn't make nay difference to the sound. So me thinks it might be something that doesn't coat itself with oil if changing the weight doesn't do anything.
Rich O'neil
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 07:17 pm, by:  Rich O'neil (Kiwiinaus) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Could well be your injectors ?
How many K's has the engine done ?
Ashley Leach
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 07:22 pm, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Injectors are making noise, I know they are. Mos
136,000 according to the clock...
Gary Morriss
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 07:43 pm, by:  Gary Morriss (Gaza) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
All inj make noise Ash, have you put your car next another V8 to compare mate?
Ashley Leach
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 07:46 pm, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Oh and I just uploaded a video with decent sound to YouTube! How cleaver am I?

Oh and I'll also note that the sounds is worst underneath the car. Weird yes, but you'll notice it in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icjNCyC3nIw
Ashley Leach
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 07:51 pm, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Yeah I think the injectors are OK... it's the rest of the noise that I don't like.

Car feels smoother now the valve clearance is done it's just a shame that the noise didn't go... so unsightly...
Gary Morriss
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 07:58 pm, by:  Gary Morriss (Gaza) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Ashley Leach wrote on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 07:51 pm:

it's just a shame that the noise didn't go... so unsightly...



So you can see the sound then!, you clever bastard
Ashley Leach
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 08:02 pm, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
You mean you cant?

You see Gary it's because my V8 is just that damn fast I'm actually traveling as fast and the sound so I can see it. You wouldn't know with your slow TT... HAHA

Just listen to the awesomeness!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQnGKPzbAe4
Gary Morriss
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 08:04 pm, by:  Gary Morriss (Gaza) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
That could be a Air leak from a pin hole in your headers or exhaust Ash,..Maybe
Gary Morriss
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 08:06 pm, by:  Gary Morriss (Gaza) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I have to admit, your car does sound nice Ash.
Brett Moloney
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 08:08 pm, by:  Brett Moloney (Lxsv8) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
It sure is noisy. You could be right Gary it may be an exhaust leak. Does it run warmer than 1/2 on the temp gauge Ashley?
Ashley Leach
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 08:15 pm, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Gary Morriss wrote on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 08:04 pm:

That could be a Air leak from a pin hole in your headers or exhaust Ash,..Maybe


Exhaust gasket is possible. I'll have to do some serious exploring on the weekend. I've just ordered a Mechanic's Stethoscope... hopefully that can help me track it down. Finger crossed is shows up on Friday.

Gary Morriss wrote on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 08:06 pm:

I have to admit, your car does sound nice Ash.

But you're car is the awesome Gary. You'll have to take me for a spin and show me the shift kit at the meet.

Brett Moloney wrote on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 08:08 pm:

t sure is noisy. You could be right Gary it may be an exhaust leak. Does it run warmer than 1/2 on the temp gauge Ashley?

HAHAHA Yeah it's even more so when it's under load. I can hardly hear the ticking over the exhaust, just at idle. Nope... only for about 4 seconds at traffic lights on a warm day before the fan kicks in and keeps it cool.
Gary Morriss
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 08:19 pm, by:  Gary Morriss (Gaza) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Ashley Leach wrote on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 08:15 pm:

I've just ordered a Mechanic's Stethoscope



Good idea
Ashley Leach
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 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:52 pm, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I'm also going to add that the ticking noise actually gets louder when the car gets hotter. Yes, that's right the colder the car the less it ticks, even to the point where it doesn't tick at all on a cold morning... strange I know.

So I'm going to to check my gaskets on the weekend, compression test to see if there's any engine wear, get under and tighten a few things up around the gear box etd and have a good listen to see what the hell could be going wrong.

Fingers crossed it's just a leaky gasket or something simple to fix.
Greg Manson
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 Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 01:36 pm, by:  Greg Manson (Greg93tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Ashley Leach wrote on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:52 pm:

I'm also going to add that the ticking noise actually gets louder when the car gets hotter. Yes, that's right the colder the car the less it ticks, even to the point where it doesn't tick at all on a cold morning... strange I know.

So I'm going to to check my gaskets on the weekend, compression test to see if there's any engine wear, get under and tighten a few things up around the gear box etd and have a good listen to see what the hell could be going wrong.

Fingers crossed it's just a leaky gasket or something simple to fix.




That puts even more weight behind the oil idea?!?!?!?!?
Damian Ware
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 Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 01:54 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Toyota recommend 5W30, 10W40 shouldn't be a problem but certainly no need to go thicker.

Perhaps they used the incorrect shims or didn't replace all that was required and this is only masked by thicker oil when cold.
Tim Appleton
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 Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 02:30 pm, by:  Tim Appleton (Timbo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I haven't watched your video yet as I'm at work. Have you listened to the charcoal canister? That can make a fair bit of a ticking noise, sometimes more than lifter noise in my engine.
Ashley Leach
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 Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 04:25 pm, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Tim Appleton wrote on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 02:30 pm:

Have you listened to the charcoal canister?

It's coming from under or at the rear of the engine...
Damian Ware wrote on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 01:54 pm:

Perhaps they used the incorrect shims or didn't replace all that was required

Spoke to them about this. Also noise is the same as it was before the shims were done. I doubt it but I'm taking it back for them to have a listen.
Peter Nitschke
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 Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 07:29 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Did you get a report of what the old shims were like?
Ashley Leach
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 Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 09:47 pm, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Unfortunately No...

All I got was the invoice showing 4 replaced shims as well at the PCV valve and rocker cover gaskets.

I'm taking it back to Toyota tomorrow afternoon so there head mechanic can have a look and I'll take him for a drive.

Could be piston slap I suppose... but I'm doubtful to suspect that. If it turns out to be incurable I guess it will be new engine time!
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 Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 10:07 pm, by:  David Eberhart (Orphan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Thats no good. My ticking is similar, on a cold morning there will be almost none at all, then as it heats up its audable but mine is coming from the front top of the engine so probably is shims or at least not the same issue as yours.

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