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Joshua Rao
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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 04:09 am, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If I swap a 2JZ-GTE or 1JZ vvti into a Uzz31 will all the cool electrics and v8 features still work?

Were 1UZ-FE's ever vvti after a certain year for the Soarer?

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Matthew Sharpe
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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 08:53 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1) Would probably be quite difficult to get everything working.

2) I think they were, from late 1996 onwards.
Tim Appleton
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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:46 am, by:  Tim Appleton (Timbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1) Trip computer in the EMV and I think maybe dash will be run from the ECU from memory so could be hard to wire up. Aircon, radio, tv, seat memory etc, should operate as per a normal UZZ31. You're going to need to study the wiring diagrams on Lextreme to make sure everything hooks up correctly, although they won't include the diagrams for the digital dash. The dash could possibly be swapped in with a 1JZ loom - might be the easiest option.


2) I don't think there were any VVTi 1UZ Soarers. Dad's '97 UZZ31 isn't VVTi unless I'm missing something.
Joshua Rao
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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 01:24 pm, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the replies. Does anyone else know? I can live without trip computer but dash would be hard . Has anyone ever done any conversion on a uzz? I want to put a deposit on a uzz31 but I want to know I can swap a 1J/2J in later.
Wafi Cheebo
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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 05:22 pm, by:  Wafi Cheebo (Wafi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Josh,
I am sure you can swap the engine over, but will be a big project.
I am not 100% sure but I think any V8 soarer over 1994 has a higher compression motor, on the dyno day the newer V8's got more RWKW, so something has to be different??
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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 05:31 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WHat exactly are you after Josh?
Jason Underwood
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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 05:58 pm, by:  Jason Underwood (Jay666) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The 1991 V8's had a compression ratio of 10:1 the 95 model was 10.4:1 and the 97 models were 10.5:1. The 95 models came out with an extra 4kw (195) only because of lighter internals, then the 97 models had even more with 216kw with VVTi. Wouldn't worry about the differences too much, Mine is a 1991 and it pulled 240rwhp.
Joshua Rao
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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 06:56 pm, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Daniel Clarke wrote on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 05:31 pm:

WHat exactly are you after Josh?




Daniel, I really want a turbo soarer but after sitting in a uzz31 I also want all the V8 luxuries. Plus I have seen a cheap uzz31. So if I had the uzz31 and converted to turbo I would have the ultimate cruiser with performance.

So Jason you are positive the 97 v8's were vvti. Anyone have pics of a vvti 1uz-fe motor in a soarer or otherwise.
Joshua Rao
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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 06:58 pm, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/126/213481.html?1197442918

Any further ideas?
Matthew Sharpe
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Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 08:36 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Buy a TT limited.
Jason Underwood
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Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 09:42 am, by:  Jason Underwood (Jay666) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Get a decent V8 and change it over to a manual then supercharge it.
Joshua Rao
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Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 11:45 am, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

TT limited post 97 are a bit hard and expensive to buy.

How much roughly to supercharge?
Joshua Rao
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Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 11:46 am, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is supercharging possible in WA, I remember Gregg Holden was having trouble getting his licenced.
Darryn Dewar
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Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 12:35 pm, by:  Darryn Dewar (Mrphreak) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Joshua Rao wrote on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 11:45 am:

TT limited post 97 are a bit hard and expensive to buy



Will probably work out cheaper and easier than a conversion
Jason Underwood
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Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 01:01 pm, by:  Jason Underwood (Jay666) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anything is possible with the right sized pockets. Call a few workshops and see what they think.
Tim Appleton
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Friday, December 14, 2007 - 03:27 pm, by:  Tim Appleton (Timbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Joshua Rao wrote on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 06:56 pm:

So Jason you are positive the 97 v8's were vvti. Anyone have pics of a vvti 1uz-fe motor in a soarer or otherwise.


The VVTi 1UZ didn't come out until 1997, while the last series of UZZ31 came out in 1996. So you won't find a VVTi UZZ31.

Ask Damian Ware some questions - he is one of the most qualified to answer the questions on electrics and dash. There are lots of people doing much harder engine conversions - your conversion should be pretty straight forward since the Soarer comes with both engines in various forms. I'm not saying it will be dead easy.
Joshua Rao
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Friday, December 14, 2007 - 07:42 pm, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have been looking at a car to buy that engine bay plates definately say 97 and UZZ31.

It has all uzz31 trimmings ie EMV, airbag suspension etc

It has a new looking 1u-fe in it with Lexus badging where the toyota symbol usually is.

I am so confused now. Dont know whether to sell my JZZ31 and buy this?
Phil Gibson
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Friday, December 14, 2007 - 09:17 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There were about 100 '97 UZZ31s but they are not VVTi

If youre used to your JZZ31 i would try driving a V8 and see what you think - if its a half-decent one you might find it ok

If not then i would suggest just getting a TT, or get a pre-'94 V8 and super or turbo charge it :-)

And BTW any Lexus badging was done by a previous owner and not the factory....
Dave Rose
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Friday, December 14, 2007 - 10:48 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joshua has it got black cover on engine and does it have 1UZ-FES2 ON IT ? DR
Joshua Rao
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Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 03:48 am, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/285/12663.html

This alongside what Phil says leads me to believe v8's were not vvti.


Phil Gibson wrote on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 09:17 pm:

There were about 100 '97 UZZ31s




Does this mean they are rare and special like a lesser equipped uzz32?

This v8 is nice compared to my jzz31, however its white and my 31 is black on black and far better looking I think. That, the fact that it has coilovers replacing the airbags and also that the 97 update front bar has been replaced are what is the holding me back at the moment.

Phil can 97's not be supercharged?






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Joshua Rao
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The lexus engine badging is like the pics I found above.

Dave, it has the black cover like the first pic, dont know about the "S2" though?

Also Dave what else can you tell me about the 97 uzz31's? It looks like yours ie sunroof etc. Your 97 uzz31 and the green one on www.carsales.com.au both have LSD's. Is this a common feature for this late uzz31? Anyway to tell without lifting the car?
Phil Gibson
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Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 01:20 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There is nothing particularily special about the 1997 V8s other than being the last of the model. They dont have any major features that earlier cars didnt have, just the usual improvements you get with late model vs. early.

post '95 cars might feel a touch more lively due to the engine tweaks, i dont think there would be much in it though.

And they shouldnt be any less suitable for low-boost charging than earlier engines. They will be less suitable for higher boost though.

That engine on the crate is not from a Soarer, and as i said any Lexus badging has come from a previous owner and *not* the factory.
Joshua Rao
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Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 01:47 pm, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for that Phil. Is there anything to watch out for in the uzz31 before buying it.
Dave Rose
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Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 04:41 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Josh on the d/side plate A01B is L.S.D.
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Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 10:38 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WHEN will it ever be clear, that there was NEVER a Lexus version of the Soarer sold in Australia !

There was NEVER a VVT-i V8 in a Soarer.

The SC400 DID get the VVT-i V8 in the USA, it also got a few other little goodies as well.( 5 Speed Auto and 3 Spoke Steering Wheel )

The SC400 Lexus is a POV PACK UZZ30 with Leather.

I have Supercharged the latter 97 Engine..

Yes there are differences in the 96-97 Soarer UZZ31's
Tim Appleton
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Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 04:20 pm, by:  Tim Appleton (Timbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Joshua Rao wrote on Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 03:48 am:

This alongside what Phil says leads me to believe v8's were not vvti.


What does it take to make people listen around here?
Dave Rose
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Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 08:56 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Josh as Neal says there are a few small differences..different AFM...sequential injection instead of in pairs ..but lose a few things on the EMV! calendar,service ,etc but you do get a nice Japanese voice...DR
Joshua Rao
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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 04:56 am, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yay, it has a Torsen LSD. A01B! Thanks for the wealth of info guys. The newer UZ has more power, anyone know of dyno proven difference?

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