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Alex Barbieri
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UZZ31

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Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 07:03 pm, by:  Alex Barbieri (Barbieros) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was hoping all the gurus here could shed some light on my cars health...

It took a while to start up this morning, then didn't sound too good. Normally I get a great note out of the exhaust, but it sounded really flat. Its idle is low and rough, sounds like something is slipping- and it smells like a lawnmower. I turned it off and instead of the shutdown burble, it just stopped.

I've youtubed it to get a better idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGODm665EJA

It was suppose to get on the dyno on tuesday, but I'm not sure if its a good idea to drive it.

It it in "limp-home" mode? Any ideas what the problem is?
Jovica Galovic
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Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 09:16 pm, by:  Jovica Galovic (Gryphn) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

is the motor shaking when you give it throttle?
Alex Barbieri
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Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 09:22 pm, by:  Alex Barbieri (Barbieros) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not overly. I'm thinking coils/leads - I don't think I've got all 8 firing. It pretty much just dies when I give it throttle.
Jovica Galovic
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Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 09:30 pm, by:  Jovica Galovic (Gryphn) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

diconnect a coil and see what happens. Same thing happened to me. Top coil went.

When you disconnect one and the motor doesnt change the tune you know whats up. The petrol smell is a giveaway to. If you need a coil to test with Ive got my old working one (i replaced both). You would need to pick it up though I have a broken diff atm.
Daniel Clarke
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Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 09:31 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sounds like an Igniter or a Set of Coils has gone... Dont sound like 8 cylinders thats for sure!!!

Sounds like 4!
Alex Barbieri
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Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 09:45 pm, by:  Alex Barbieri (Barbieros) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Awesome, sounds like an easy fix. Really want to get it to the dyno tuesday so i'll be right on it tomorrow morning.

Where abouts are you Jovica?
Jovica Galovic
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Monday, March 31, 2008 - 12:14 am, by:  Jovica Galovic (Gryphn) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Mike Bradberry
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Monday, March 31, 2008 - 08:06 am, by:  Mike Bradberry (Halflife) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hope it's not the timing belt.
Kristian Bird
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Monday, March 31, 2008 - 11:17 pm, by:  Kristian Bird (Kgb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The majorly loud squeel didn't concern anyone?
Guage lost RPM completely there at one stage too...

I'm no mechanic, but that squeel sounded somewhat ominous. Timing belt? Drive belt? Seazing pully?

Anyways, mine doesn't have that noise, and didn't when I lost a coil either.

Not saying it's definately not a coil, maybe there are 2 issues there.

Has it had a timing belt?
If yes:
Was it just the belt or a kit?
I don't know if the following could be possible, but if one of the pullys for the timing belt seazed could that not affect ignition firing an create a squeeling noise such as that one?
Kit only cost me like $120 or something when I did mine at 100,000.

Just saying, to me, that noise would be someone concerning also. But I'm no mechanic. I've heard they're non-inferance motors so you should be safe anyway, personally I didn't trust that though
Peter Nitschke
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Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 01:43 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good point about the squeal.

Lot's of possibilities including cracked harmonic balancer, seized water pump and so on.

You really need to get in under the bonnet and get an idea of where that squeal is coming from.

Even if it's been there for a while, it's not a comforting sound.
Alex Barbieri
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Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 07:34 am, by:  Alex Barbieri (Barbieros) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It was towed to the mechanics yesterday and i'm gonna shoot down there now before he starts work.

That was the first time I've heard the sound, and in terms of timing belts- wouldn't have a clue when it was last replaced- although Doug said it was fine in January.

Haha, its comforting to know that it could be anything... Last time my crumpledoor had a faulty coil, it went back to the mechanic 4 times for leads, harmonic balancer, plugs and 2 sets of coils- $700 and two weeks later it was still playing up.

Mind you, some sort of timing/ignition problem makes sense. Before it packed up, I was getting very inconsistent acceleration, particularly down low where is would seriously bog down.
Alex Barbieri
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Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 07:39 pm, by:  Alex Barbieri (Barbieros) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Left side coils is what he's said. $250 job finished. Parts didn't arrive today so the install is tomorrow. He said he tried to get toyota parts, but they quoted $350 and a 6 week wait.

Just a side question, was the 1uz engine in any Australian delivered model? I heard somewhere that the Landcruiser did.
Jovica Galovic
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Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 07:48 pm, by:  Jovica Galovic (Gryphn) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

$250 for a coil WTF!!!. Is it made out of gold?? I got both of mine from Repco for less than $160 takes 15 min to replace both.
Kristian Bird
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Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 07:49 pm, by:  Kristian Bird (Kgb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think the landcruiser used a 2UZ-FE, 4.7ltr... I wouldn't have thought they'd make a 4.0ltr v8 option when the straight six was a 4.0....

Did he mention what the squeeling sound was? Or just ignore it till what ever it is breaks?
Kristian Bird
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Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 07:55 pm, by:  Kristian Bird (Kgb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh wait, 1UZ might have came out in the Crown? I can't be sure on that though.
Peter Nitschke
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Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 08:14 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LS-400
Alex Barbieri
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Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 07:36 pm, by:  Alex Barbieri (Barbieros) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alright, I've rescued the car (and my wallet) from the mechanic. Not paying out on him, but he doesn't really know the car.

Got one set of coils replaced, fuel filter changed- $520.

Its back to its poor acceleration and bogging down. He recommended:
-2nd set new coils
-New plugs
-New leads

I couldn't stomach the other $700+ for that stuff (roughly what he was gonna charge). So its back home and I'll have a crack myself.

So, I'm off to look for part numbers...
Jovica Galovic
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Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 07:53 pm, by:  Jovica Galovic (Gryphn) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alex
local repco coil packs Champion CC231 $80 Each .
Fuel filter is available about 70 bucks dunno the part number though.

Hopefully someone else can help out with the leads etc.
Kristian Bird
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Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 08:02 pm, by:  Kristian Bird (Kgb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mmmmk, so just to clarify, is it still missing exactly the same or just not runnin perfectly?

IE: Has it gotten better since the crazy person with spanners asked you for some gold bricks?

If it wanted plugs, it'd be missing. Mine was missing quite noticably, replaced leads and plugs. Found that only 1 plug was deffective.
Alex Barbieri
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Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 08:19 pm, by:  Alex Barbieri (Barbieros) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Crazy person with the spanners....

It's missing worse than before.

I'll be replacing plugs first, tracking down some NGK Iridium BKR6EIX-11 at the moment. If that doesn't work I'll get onto the old set of coils, and some leads.
Daniel Clarke
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Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 08:30 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1 Coil + 1 fuel filter for $520... I think i need to quit butchering and do my ticket as a grease monkey finally... You got taken for a ride man.. Ouch!
Alex Barbieri
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Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 08:41 pm, by:  Alex Barbieri (Barbieros) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes I know, that's why it at my house, not in his workshop waiting for more parts.

Oh, but I'm forgetting about the 20L of fuel he put into it... better have been OPtimax, or rocket fuel...

The most disturbing thing is he's written on the line for the coils:

1 Ignition Coil Toyota Import $227.27 $22.73GST $250.00

He said to me on the phone, "yeah its a beautiful car, but the trouble is everything is gonna be expensive coz its an import..." and which point I said, "How much do I owe you, don't order any more parts- I'm coming to pick it up."
Kristian Bird
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Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 09:02 pm, by:  Kristian Bird (Kgb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The thing is, if the guy is a d-bag, he probably doesn't have any good suppliers. So probably gets stuff from like toyota, then adds his own mark up.

That's where I'm lucky, my mechanic happens to be my sister's boyfriend, and his supplier happens to be his brother.
MUH HAHAHAH!


Often stuff for imports can be expensive, especially soarers from what i've found, as the seem to be less popular among modifiers and what not. So cheap taiwan made parts are probably not manufactured as much.


But yeah, i'd pull out the plugs and check to make sure all are firing first and go from there.
Oh and what of that squeeling?
Alex Barbieri
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Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 09:09 pm, by:  Alex Barbieri (Barbieros) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Geez, nice set up you've got there...

trouble is, he said they weren't Toyota parts, because the Toyota ones were too expensive and had a 6 week wait.

The first time I heard the squeal was when I shot that video- haven't heard it before or since.

And I might PM you for some parts soon...haha
Kristian Bird
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Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 09:21 pm, by:  Kristian Bird (Kgb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmmm, odd.
You don't happen to have a pod filter do you?

I know that seems like an odd question, but i just went out and recorded my engine, it's making a very similar sound on the recording, yet nothing that i can hear.
lol, epic fail



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