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David Eberhart
TryHard
A.C.T.
V8

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Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 08:02 pm, by:  David Eberhart (Orphan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys,

Well recently after I changed my air filter my soarer started sucking a heap of fuel. Just puttering around town is as low as 4-5km/L at some points. I reset the ecu cause I thought maybe it was just not use to that amount of air and wanted to run far to rich or something.

My first thought is possibly the spark plugs? I got the car with just over 100,000km's on it so i'm guessing they are still the ones from factory haha :-(

Any thoughts? Gonna call neil on monday but its only sat so thought i'd ask on here.
Dave Rose
TryHard
wa
uzz31 v8

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Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 08:36 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Was it a gen Toyota one??
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
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Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 09:01 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Did you muck around with the Air Flow Meter at all??? As they can be very finicky and when they play up, it will definatlry play up..

Was it an Oil Based filter? Sometimes the oil can manage to get onto the Wire inside the AFM and can ruin it.
Damian Ware
DieHard
Victoria
UZZ32

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Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 11:52 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Daniel the V8 AFM doesn't have the ceramic element and heater wire. The late model turbo does I think.

The early model V8's have a photo diode and mirror set up and it is super super sensitive to oil.

If the mirror gets dirty in the slightest way the reading will be completely wrong.

I don't think this is the problem though as the closed loop operation is regulated by the oxygen sensors and I have seen faulty AFM's ignored by the ECU when in closed loop.

I would start by checking the oxygen sensors to make sure they are oscillating.
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops

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Sunday, June 22, 2008 - 01:59 am, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bet ya left it unplugged.
David Eberhart
TryHard
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V8

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Monday, June 23, 2008 - 12:34 pm, by:  David Eberhart (Orphan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ha I don't even remember what brand it was. Got it off neil.

And no I didn't touch anything or change anything just the air filter.

Yeah even on cruise at 100 (would be in closed loop right?) its still sucking a lot more than usual.

How do I check the oxygen sensor?
David Eberhart
TryHard
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Monday, June 23, 2008 - 12:37 pm, by:  David Eberhart (Orphan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also I think I may have been way off with the spark plugs but could they have played any roll in it? Haven't been changed since I have had the car (~30,000km's) and I got it with 100,000 on it so they may have never been changed at all and giving off a poor spark thus poor combustion thus poor economy.
Neil Griffiths
Goo Roo
NSW
I have a Cadillac and a Supercharged Manual V8

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Monday, June 23, 2008 - 06:20 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

FRAM Air Filter
Dave Rose
TryHard
wa
uzz31 v8

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Monday, June 23, 2008 - 09:06 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave ..pull the filter out have a close look at it?...look down the inlet trumpet(towards the front of the car) just in case you left something in front of filter..also its posable for a bag etc to get through the air scoop and onto the air trumpet....good luck
David Eberhart
TryHard
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V8

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Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 03:46 pm, by:  David Eberhart (Orphan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There is nothing down there and its still using more than the usual amount of fuel for just putting around, putting out a bit of visible gas on start ups at times as well, use to only be on cold mornings (could even be a bit of dew in the exhaust) but its happening during the day as well now.

Engine still sounds alright and there isn't any noticeable loss in power just seems to be running rich/not ignighting the fuel as well? Thoughts?

Neil you lurker any thoughts?
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
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Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 06:41 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

COuld it be the current Air temperatures are Low, so the ECU richens it up and runs some more timing? COld weather thing? Specially down in the ACT!
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
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Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 07:57 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not unless the thermostat wasn't doing it's job.
Dave Rose
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wa
uzz31 v8

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Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 09:52 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave i think the filter is a red herring ,but can you put the old one back just so we can discount the filter and move on.
David Boyle
Tinkerer
NSW
Soarer GT limited

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Reg: 05-2009

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Friday, June 26, 2009 - 02:07 pm, by:  David Boyle (Amokzar) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i currently have the same problem with white smoke at startup and it drinking fuel like crazy. i have been looking around and have had tips that there is a problem with the ECU. i don't know how accurate that is and have yet to bother to attempt to fix it as it seems out of my budget
David Boyle
Tinkerer
NSW
Soarer GT limited

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Monday, June 29, 2009 - 12:07 pm, by:  David Boyle (Amokzar) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

was there any fix to it? would love to know whats wrong with my car

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