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David Eberhart
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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 09:16 pm, by: David Eberhart (Orphan)

Hey guys,

I uploaded a copy of the USD Soarer workshop manual and it has some japanse stuff in other folders and is a bit messy but thats how I got it. Loads of useful info on everything from body, suspension, interior, electrical and engine but it does not cover the 1JZ-GTE or vvti as they were only ever released in Japan apparently. There is a wealth of knowledge on the 1JZ and the Chaser has an almost identical 1JZ set up to the soarer. We are talking literally many hundreds of pages of manual, with toyota step by step for pretty much everything you could ever need to do to your soarer.

Anyways here is the link:

After some ad dodging you will see the download link in the bottom right hand corner of the text "Save file to your PC: click here" is what you are looking for. I did a test download and got 65kb/s dl rate (my net can easily do 500kb/s) so its not particularly fast but its free.

I have no idea how long the file will be up for but I can always upload it again at a later date if its taken down.

Enjoy

Mark Donovan
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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 09:32 pm, by: Mark Donovan (Mark_donovan)

Thanks, David. Will download a copy for future reference.
Currently downloading at 273 KB/sec

David Eberhart
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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 10:11 pm, by: David Eberhart (Orphan)

I must have just got it at a bad time, glad its going faster for you, should only take around 38 mins at that speed.

The step by step can save you some frustration even if you are pretty experienced there are always little things you forget about. It also lists all the tools you will need etc so you can more easily know you have everything before you start anything.

Hope this helps you guys.

David Eberhart
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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 01:02 pm, by: David Eberhart (Orphan)

For the less computer literate of the community you will need a free program called WinRar to extract the file, its just a more advanced WinZip to uncompress a single file.

From there just open the newly created folder and for all the english pages open the folder titled "eng" and open the appropriate folders to what you are looking for, they are titled with abreviations of what is in them so if you don't know just open the first page scan and they usually have a title.

I have no idea what the point of all the random html documents showing much of the same information is about, thats just how it came so I thought I would leave it there in case there was some use for it.

Ali Saeed
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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 05:57 pm, by: Ali Saeed (Ali)

lol isnt this the stuff Jeff Harper sells for $100? someones ripped the CDs and put them into one folder.

Boris Siljanoski
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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 06:57 pm, by: Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt)

Well no need for people to pay $100 Anymore, available for free.

And here is my Addition to the Workshop manual thread.

z20 Soarer Workshop Manual Documents (Japanese Ofcourse)

http://www.2shared.com/file/10825030/1730f017/Soarer_z20_Workshop_Manual__Ja.html

Miles Baker
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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 07:10 pm, by: Miles Baker (Milesb)

Boris there is a lot of history behind the Soarer Bible and people promoting ripping it off like that could be viewed rather badly in the eyes of some of the members. Jeff did a sh1tload of work making that CD.

Ben Kelly
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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 08:09 pm, by: Ben Kelly (Ace)

the name indicates that its the soarer bible thats offered by jeff. I understand that jeff (with the help of wife?) translated a lot of diagrams. if this is that version i call a delete on this thread and say if you can use it buy it you cheap bastards!

Mark Donovan
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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 08:14 pm, by: Mark Donovan (Mark_donovan)

If this is the Soarer Bible then I already have a copy. I've not yet decompressed it but will keep it until I check against my Bible copy. Definitely support Jeffs efforts, everyone!

David Eberhart
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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 08:58 pm, by: David Eberhart (Orphan)

Not to be a dick but selling something copyrighted to another person or company is illegal ie selling a ripped off toyota manual. Even selling translations of copyrighted material is illegal. If there is content in it created by Jeff then he can sell that as he wishes.

I have no idea if it is the same thing sold by Jeff but given the name I would be lead to assume so. I personally haven't seen any translated diagrams or any original work as I have only looked at the english scans.

BTW I don't know who Jeff is, I just got the impression he was the one behind the soarer bible CD.

I am happy to re upload it with just the U.S. manual scans if that makes people feel better. I do not wish to rip him off from something he has actually produced but charging for a copyrighted manual scan is dodgey as. There is a torrent that has been up for some time with quite a few downloads each day. If there is nothing original than it does not worry me as he has no right to be selling it in the first place if there is let me know and I will take the link out of the first post and replace it with just the u.s. manual.

Everyone appreciates peoples work and giving of information on automotive forums. For lack of better words unless its original its just a labour of love and should not be charged for and even then there are thousands of people around the world who have spent hundreds of hours writing up tuning manuals or engine swap step by step documents and freely sharing their information so your damn right i'm not going to pay someone on the net who just put some copyrighted material together into one folder but I would shout him dinner or a beer for his effort.

Boris Siljanoski
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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 09:16 pm, by: Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt)

Exactly, even if some bits of it are the work of somebody who has translated the ORIGINAL Japanese documents, it is not the sole work of the person who translated it as it is based on the Japanese documents.

Miles Baker
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 10:45 am, by: Miles Baker (Milesb)

Don't be dicks. Even just the English bit took aaages for him to go get, pull apart, scan and package. I was quite happy to give him a few bucks for smething Toyota had no interest in doing for us. The translated part is a whole different story indeed.

This stuff was done for us and provided back when noone knew squat about soarers and most of us had 20 or 30 grand sunk into these cars. It was not meant to be all above board but it wouldn't had to have been done if Toyota had offered it. They didn't and Jeff did a load of work to help us out. Hiding behind legalities to justify ripping off his work now is pretty weak. We all break copyright laws all the time so don't give me that line. Jeff busted his ass to help us out. Welcome to the new generation of cheap ass little douche soarer owners.

Matthew Sharpe
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 10:56 am, by: Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt)

Indeed, and its only $100 people! Not a lot of money for the effort involved.

Jeff Smith
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 12:49 pm, by: Jeff Smith (Mozzie)

As a long term member I am disapointed that Peter is alowing this to happen.. Mate! This is railroading the many hours Jeff harper put into this.. What should be done here is check to see if its the same product and also be screened 1st before alowed to be posted...
This is a discrace to the many soarer members that go out of there way to find such valuble info and bring it to the soarer comunity and then get smashed down by someone that thinks.. Arrr I payed for it who care's ... Well next time there will not be a next time.. Cause no one will go out of there way to contribute to the soarer comunity... keep this up and the soarer comunity will deminish.. The respect for those that go out of there way will cease to exist...

Damian Ware
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 01:29 pm, by: Damian Ware (Frozenpod)

David Eberhart wrote on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 08:58 pm:
Not to be a dick but selling something copyrighted to another person or company is illegal ie selling a ripped off toyota manual. Even selling translations of copyrighted material is illegal. If there is content in it created by Jeff then he can sell that as he wishes.

Jeff wasn't selling anything as it was illegal to sell toyota manuals even if he modified them. He was providing the information for free and charging a postage and handelling fee.

Given the cost of the postage and handling which is less than a full tank of petrol and about half the cost of a battery, just pay for it it is a very valuable tool and a bargin.

Boris Siljanoski wrote on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 06:57 pm:
Well no need for people to pay $100 Anymore, available for free.

Very uncool Boris, keep in mind Jeff and his wife did this in there spare time to help other soarer owners out.

Scott Casey
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 01:48 pm, by: Scott Casey (V8soarer_1991)

2 big thumbs up for Jeff

Its people like him and others alike that take their time and effort for the Soarer community to share information that they have obtained.

If they didn't the car forums would be "DEAD"

which i currently posting from a computer which is run by "freeware" applications

Mike Beck
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 03:46 pm, by: Mike Beck (Gold_40gt)

Same sort of thing goes for Peter Scott. The Planet Soarer creator...

After all he did that for free, just out of interest and his passion.

In it's day it was so useful, and still is!

Boris Siljanoski
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 05:29 pm, by: Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt)

Ok I'm not trying to be a offensive here, please try to see my point of view people without taking offense.

I am simply stating that it is available for download, and that there is no need to pay $100 for it.

We are not hiding behind copyright laws here. It has been said that Jeff only charged Postage and Handling, $100 seems a bit too hefty for Postage, or maybe I misunderstood that post. But if he is making profit from it, I will not give my money when 90% of it is not his work.

For those of you that strongly disagree, and are in need of this manual then you should show support to Jeff by not downloading this manual but paying $100 for it.

There are a few Audio wiring diagrams that I translated for a z20 soarer, should I begin go charging 40c each for them. I could, but I provide them for free, and wish that anybody who uses them will pass them on free of charge.

Should we have to pay a Monthly subscription to use the Soarer Central forums?

Think about it, there are many Enthusiasts of other forums (Nissan, Mazda) etc, Mechanics, Auto Elecs that go through a lot of trouble in many cases to create step by step guides complete with pictures, videos, translate wiring diagrams... and happily post it for everybody to use.

The link is there available for download, you have a choice.

Miles Baker
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 08:04 pm, by: Miles Baker (Milesb)

Boris Siljanoski wrote on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 05:29 pm:
there is no need to pay $100 for it

No there is no need to pay for it. Unless you're not a douchebag.

Boris Siljanoski wrote on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 05:29 pm:
$100 seems a bit too hefty for Postage, or maybe I misunderstood that post

Well, douchebags are incapable of reading between the lines.

Boris Siljanoski wrote on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 05:29 pm:
I will not give my money when 90% of it is not his work

The money is not for the content of the manual, it's for the work that went into making it available. Be honest. You won't give your money for it because you're a cheapskate.

Boris Siljanoski wrote on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 05:29 pm:
For those of you that strongly disagree, and are in need of this manual then you should show support to Jeff by not downloading this manual but paying $100 for it

I did.

Jeff spent an absolute buttload of time and money sourcing the info, translating much of it, and packaging it for us. If his work is of little value, then why don't you steal the Toyota stuff instead of his? Oh that's right, THERE IS NO TOYOTA MANUAL AVAILABLE ELECTRONICALLY.

At least be honest Boris. There is a great deal of value in what Jeff did and you are not paying for it because you are cheap. We all know it and we all support Jeff. Trying to justify this in front of us is just earning you a bad rep. There is no justification. You are grasping at straws in front of people who have known Jeff a hell of a lot longer than you, and are still thankful someone spent his time and money providing us with what we needed.

Joe Russell
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 08:10 pm, by: Joe Russell (Joe_r)

What did Jeff do, exactly?
Doe's anyone know?
Seriously, I'm interested to know.

David Eberhart
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 08:16 pm, by: David Eberhart (Orphan)

This has gotten way out of hand, if a moderator sees fit please take down the link as this has obviously ruffled feathers of the 'high and mighty'.

This was in no way intended to be the cheapskates method or rip off Jeff. It is already freely available online and I though it would be of benefit to post a link to the file. As for the comment about soarer owners being cheap, I think you will find its not soarer owners as much as people in the low end of the car market, soarers are worth nothing these days which is very unfortunate and means people are picking them up for sub $7000 meaning the costs of mechanical work and upgrades seem far more expensive than if the car was worth substantially more. I will pay what I have to pay but I'm obviously going to look for the most cost effective method, its not called being cheap its called being smart. Being cheap is a completely different issue.

There is no doubt Jeff and his wife put effort into this as it appears he is the one that scanned the literally 1000+ pages of manual and I'm sure everyone is thankful for their contribution.

$100 postage and handling my ass, not only is distributing copyrighted material just as illegal as selling it but thats just dumb to try and defend it. Obviously downloading it is also breaking copyright but it is not profiting from it. If he was charging a reasonable fee for the time to burn the disc and postage then I wouldn't have any issue but a CD is sub 50c and takes 5 minutes to burn and postage is under $2 so don't tell me the charge is postage and handling. I could probably get ahold of a physical copy of the US manual shipped to my door for less than is being charged for something being burnt to a cd.

Many posters seem to be implying that not paying Jeff for his contribution is a big evil, how many people contribute hundreds if not thousands of hours across hundreds of motoring forums around the world providing their experience or information and writing up tutorials etc. They all do it because they want to and choose to which is great for the community as it often addresses many things that are hard to get information on right down to basic servicing. You don't do things like that for personal gain. If you have a original product or service to sell to the community then all means go for it.

As mentioned peter hosts his own soarer website and doesn't charge for his info, he gives it as it is an interest of his and he wants to help others and that IS original work so he can legally charge for it. I think it is important to note that I am not saying because others don't charge jeff shouldnt. This is not about ripping jeff off or not valuing his efforts.

To put it plainly there is no way in hell I am paying $100 for repackaging of copyrighted material by an unauthorised party, thats like saying thanks to those nice guys in the back of a van who sold you a stolen tv for retail price. If there was original material or a large amount of useful translations for a reasonable fee then I would be more than happy to pay. As mentioned I haven't looked at anything other than the U.S. scans so I don't know the extent of translated material.

If you don't want to download it you don't have to, simple as that. The files were already freely available on the net before I provided a link to the files.

Jeff charging for the CD's is his choice and I have nothing against him for it but some people on here are right ass holes instantly condeming rather than giving decent consideration and advising of their thoughts.

Last and most importantly I would like to say a BIG thank you to Jeff and his wife for their huge contribution even more so considering the time put into it. An idea may be to put up donation information for Jeff so people can give him some change for his work.

EDIT: There seem to be a lot of older guys on these forums who grew up in a different time back when work was actually rewarded. Today you can't expect anything and anything you do get is a bonus even more so on the internet and community forums which the whole point of is a free path of communication and information. It does not mean work should not be rewarded but the reward isn't there as it has been in the past which in actual fact is more generous than putting the effort in for gain.

David Eberhart
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 08:21 pm, by: David Eberhart (Orphan)

Joe Russell wrote on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 08:10 pm:

He is the guy who put the soarer bible together. I don't know the full extent of the work he did but it seems he at the very least scanned in the full U.S. manual which is literally 1500+ pages from taking a quick look.

Apparently he has translated other stuff but I haven't had a look through it yet.

Damian Ware
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 09:14 pm, by: Damian Ware (Frozenpod)

David Eberhart wrote on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 08:16 pm:
To put it plainly there is no way in hell I am paying $100 for repackaging of copyrighted material by an unauthorised party, thats like saying thanks to those nice guys in the back of a van who sold you a stolen tv for retail price. If there was original material or a large amount of useful translations for a reasonable fee then I would be more than happy to pay.

Retail price for the manuals in a hardcopy from toyota today is still about $2400 (I think estimating how many he would have purchased to get all the information). They are about $400 each I have one in hardcopy (covers electrical wiring diagrams) that I use all the time even at $400 it is a bargin.

There are multiple manuals which cover different areas and given what is in the soarer bible I assume Jeff purchased all of them and used the manuals plus his own work to create the soarer bible.

So the $100 is a hell of a lot cheaper than the retail price of the manuals or stolen TV in your example.

According to Jeff's previous posts he and his wife spent over 500hrs doing translations.

Jeff has also provided over the years small sections specific to a particular problem for free to help people resolve them. You could almost argue that 25% of what you need is already freely available and those pages are on planet soarer and soarer central.

I wonder how much translations would cost and scanning ect if you were to pay per hr or per page say $50 per hr as which would probably be a very low estimate. $50 x 500 = $25,000.

So a mere $25k in man hrs to make them available at $100 a pop.

Sounds bloody reasonable to me.

Miles Baker
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 10:39 pm, by: Miles Baker (Milesb)

Spot on Damian.

My view is that the distribution of Toyota's material while illegal is a lesser evil as they never intended selling it to us. Ripping off Jeff's time is just disrespectful. He did it for us and you lot are just spitting in his face. Ever wonder where a lot of those authors of the electrical howtos figured out how to wire stuff up? Jeff and his wife's meticulous translations of the wiring diagrams Toyota had no interest in us having.

If you can find an electronic copy of the material that did not come from Jeff I have no problem with you posting that here. But posting a copy of his package and then saying it has no value is just bs.

Tight arses. It's not being smart. It's being a tight arse. You could at least admit it. Who do you think is ever going to front thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours to help this group again? Not me.

Boris Siljanoski
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 11:10 pm, by: Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt)

$100 for Postage and Handling and the manual comes for free?, why are people on the forum trying to hid the fact that this money is for Jeff not Postage?. I'm not against Jeff asking money for it.

We should all be glad that this document is freely available for everybody to enjoy, and Thankyou Jeff your time is appreciated.

Also David spot on with the Last paragraph.

EDIT - I have just gone through my old Emails and I remember a discussion with Jeff. It looks like he had made copies of it Jap z20 Soarer workshop manual (Original Japanese Toyota ones not translated), and selling them for about $25.

Have a look in the z10/z20 section.

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