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Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 03:48 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The UZZ30 started running VERY badly last week. I checked the IAC valve, it all seemed free enough, cleaned, lubricated re-installed.

Still hard to idle, very lumpy, rich as hell, black petrol smoke out the exhaust.

Replace both coil packs - no real improvement.
Unplug AFM - no real improvement.

Had a mate bring his V8 this morning to swap ECU for a test.

Next problem, motor won't start, won't turn, feels locked tight. Didn't get to test with his ECU.

My guess, was that somehow it has over fuelled to the point of filling a cylinder (or more than one) to the point it hydrolocks.

Just pulled all the spark plugs out and one had close to a cup full of fuel and others had some.

Pulled main ECU out, capacitors look OK - but will replace them anyway.

So, any suggestions? Is it the ECU telling the injector to flood, or a sticking injector?
Scott Wilkes
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Tasmania
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Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 03:55 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

could be a stuck injector, it only takes a tiny bit of grit to lodge under the pintle of the injector to hold it open.

Worth pulling them out and getting flowtested, leak tested and ultrasonic cleaned? We do it at work and you would be astounded by some of the injectors we remove and clean, this is on under100,000km old vehicles. Aussie fuel at its finest

Unflood the motor and try the new ECU first, if that solves it it may of been a fault within the board, otherwise i would be looking at injectors.

BTW are you certain it was fuel and not a blown headgasket?
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 04:08 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Definitely fuel, we sucked out as much as we could.

Anyone in Adelaide with a early V8 that can get to Daw Park to swap ECU's briefly?
Mike Beck
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New Zealand
325i Coupe

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Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 06:20 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Damn, what an interesting problem.

Something I haven't experienced (yet).

Best of luck tackling the issue Peter.
Peter Nitschke
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Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 08:26 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It lives!

More soon (got stuff to do).
Mike Beck
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New Zealand
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Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 12:16 am, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)



Ah fantastic.

Do tell the solution!
Peter Nitschke
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Monday, April 05, 2010 - 05:48 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

While the ECU was being soldered, I cranked the engine, more petrol shot of the spark plug holes. After cleaning it up, I did a few more cranks to dry the cylinders out.

We then reinstalled the ECU, refitted the plugs and leads and did a test with all the intake stuff still off.

It ran!

It was a bit of a dog, and the exhaust was still loaded with petrol vapour, but not black smoke! Most likely the exhaust had a fair bit of petrol just sitting in it which fortunately blew out and dried out before everything got hot enough to ignite it.

After a few minutes, the vapour went away, the car was also idling smoother and the ECU was probably adjusting for the IACV having been removed and cleaned.

As the plugs and IACV were all sooty, I squirted some throttle body cleaner into the intake while keeping the revs up, hopefully it helped.

So it looks like dodgy capacitors caused one of the injector drivers to turn on, each driver runs 2 injectors, hence cylinders 4 and 6 (middle two on drivers side) getting flooded with fuel.

Finally I re-assembled the air intake stuff and went for a test drive - all smooth and feeling crisp as it does after an ECU reset and a few quick starts. The new coil packs might make a difference and some have claimed improved fuel efficiency - I will have to check it later on.

So it looks like dodgy capacitors caused one of the injector drivers to turn on, each driver runs 2 injectors, hence cylinders 4 and 6 (middle two on drivers side) getting flooded with fuel.

The lesson here is that it would be a good idea for all owners of early Soarers to get the ECU capacitors replaced if it hasn't already been done. It's not a difficult job for a person with very good soldering skills, and may save some inconvenience if the ECU fails at an awkward time.
Scott Wilkes
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Tasmania
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Monday, April 05, 2010 - 07:41 am, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

good work mate, good to see it fixed and back on the road :-)

I may have to look into the capacitors in my TT ECU, do we have a parts list for the TT ECUs on what capacitors we need?
Andrew Ferres
Goo Roo
WA
'90 C-F Celsior V8, '84 Soarer V8

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Monday, April 05, 2010 - 10:03 am, by:  Andrew Ferres (Peewee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its common on 1JZ ecu's for an injector driver (or two) to fail ON.
Never heard of it on a 1UZ though.

Make sure you change your oil now!!
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Monday, April 05, 2010 - 02:13 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good point Andrew!

Now I have a reason to go for a drive - to get some oil! :-)
Mike Beck
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New Zealand
325i Coupe

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Monday, April 05, 2010 - 06:42 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Very interesting case there Peter.

I had replaced capacitors in two of my previous 1UZ cars so maybe I should check out the ECU for my donor 1UZ engine to check it's condition.

:-)

Glad you resolved it anyway! Where the cats alright, didn't get damaged by the excess fuel?
Peter Nitschke
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UZZ30 UZZ31

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Monday, April 05, 2010 - 08:54 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No evidence of any further problems - at this stage!
Mike Beck
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Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 08:41 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lets hope it stays that way.

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