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David Barry
Tinkerer
Victoria
UZZ31

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Reg: 09-2008

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Friday, July 02, 2010 - 03:57 pm, by:  David Barry (Davidb2008) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi,

I have a 1992 UZZ31. I have had recurring problems with missing and rough idle. Two years ago I replaced the original ignition leads with TopGun leads. These leads improved the cars idle when first installed but progressively the miss came back. The failure of these leads progressed to the point where it was possible to see sparks arcing out of them during daylight.

I replace the TopGun leads with Bosch ones a month ago. When first installed the idle was perfect but progressively the miss has returned. In the dark there is an ever growing amount of corona visible on the leads and the odd small spark arcing out at a couple of places. Particularly on the passenger side coil lead where it goes through the timing belt / distributor cover.

Has anybody got any suggestions on this problem. Have I just bought two sets of dodgy leads? Is something making the ignition voltage higher that it should be? Should I be seeing corona at night or is it indicative of another problem?

Any help would be appreciated.

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Dave Rose
Goo Roo
wa
uzz31 v8

Posts: 1249
Reg: 03-2007

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Friday, July 02, 2010 - 06:19 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What sort of plugs have you got ,sounds like you have some resistence at the plug end ,are they pushed right on the plugs ?
David Barry
Tinkerer
Victoria
UZZ31

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Saturday, July 03, 2010 - 09:07 am, by:  David Barry (Davidb2008) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The plugs are NGK or Denso ones (I can't remember which) and are 2 years old. When I pushed the leads onto the plugs I pushed until they clipped on and then gave them a gentle tug to make sure they were attached. I will double check today to make sure they are connected properly.
Dave Rose
Goo Roo
wa
uzz31 v8

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Saturday, July 03, 2010 - 11:34 am, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe check the resistance of each lead, Planet Soarer has the values for each one.
A little corona is ok ,but not arcing .
Bill Bogiatzis
TryHard
NSW
TT

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Sunday, July 04, 2010 - 03:11 pm, by:  Bill Bogiatzis (Boggie23) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think its the after market leads. I have heard in the past its good to use the original ones which go for about 450-600 a pop new. After market ones don't last as long as original Toyota ones (i.e. 15 years or so)
Allan Langford
Tinkerer
Vic
UZZ31

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Reg: 05-2010

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Monday, July 05, 2010 - 10:48 am, by:  Allan Langford (Allan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

aftermarket leads suck huge wang! (some exceptions to the rule but not fit the 1uz)

spend the $$$ on a stock set and only have to do it once every 100,000km
Dave Rose
Goo Roo
wa
uzz31 v8

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Monday, July 05, 2010 - 08:47 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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David Barry
Tinkerer
Victoria
UZZ31

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Friday, July 09, 2010 - 03:07 pm, by:  David Barry (Davidb2008) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi,
Thanks to all those who replied. I will be check the resistance of my leads this weekend and post the results.
David Barry
Tinkerer
Victoria
UZZ31

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Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 04:56 pm, by:  David Barry (Davidb2008) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've checked the leads and it appears they are much lower resistance than the original toyota leads.

The results suggest none of the conductors are broken suggesting there may be another cause to my problem.


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I've put my measurements in red on the diagram.

Could the coils be being overdriven increasing the voltage?
I've replaced two coils in the last two years. One of the replacements is a champion one and the other is an original toyota one.

Some of the guides and brackets that hold the leads when they cross the front of the engine are damaged on mine, the leads are kept separated but not in as neat a manner as they were originally.

Has anybody got any thoughts on this?
Dave Rose
Goo Roo
wa
uzz31 v8

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Friday, July 16, 2010 - 11:40 am, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think your leads are ok because if you x your findings by three they are near perfect, may be you had your meter set wrong.
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
E36 Coupe

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Friday, July 16, 2010 - 09:22 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Dave Rose wrote on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 11:40 am:

may be you had your meter set wrong.




Looks to be the case.
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

Posts: 11684
Reg: 11-2004

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Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 01:51 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Or, if the leads have 1/3 the resistance, the results would still be consistent.

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