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Chris Lock
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Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 09:19 pm, by: Chris Lock (Sledge)

So it seems my starter motor has died..according to RAA
And i'm going to have to replace it, but my question is, is there anything else i'll need to get to that like gaskets etc? does anyone know if there's a walk through of any of the hard bits i'll have to do?
Anyone in SA want to help me?

Cheers

Myles Jantzen
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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 12:15 am, by: Myles Jantzen (Maxx999)

There's a few write ups floating around on the net, this one has some good info and pics. http://www.clublexus.com/forums/ls400/324890-95-ls400-starter-dead-diy-replacement-in-progress.html Be warned though that it will be a PITA job. http://www.lextreme.com/starter.html Just to double check, have you had trouble starting your car for a while or has this happened suddenly?

Chris Lock
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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 07:27 am, by: Chris Lock (Sledge)

the only thing i had noticed was the starter motor was cininueing to make a 'whiring' noise after the car had started for a few seconds.
then all of a sudden, it just won't turn over..
turn the key, and all i get is a 'click' from the starter motor area.

James Buchan
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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 04:49 pm, by: James Buchan (Jrbuch)

Stuff that, looks way too hard. I'd pay for that job to be done

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 04:57 pm, by: Matt Petersen (Mattmannz)

lol - be prepared to pay for it then James. Chances are the starter is close to failure at around 19 years and 200odd km's.

It's actually not hard, it's complex but not hard.

No need to replace any gaskets however it's probably worth doing new injector seals.

Make sure you bench test the replacement starter before fitting it....

I have done a couple of these. About 3 hours to tear down and 2 hours to put back together. Make sure you cover the inlet ports when the manifold is off.....

Matt.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 05:53 pm, by: Chris Lock (Sledge)

Yeah i'm thinking of putting it into the local auto electrician.
He said worst case senario would be $325 for a new one..
Not including removal and fitting etc..
less than i expected for new..

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 06:06 pm, by: Matt Petersen (Mattmannz)

If that's actually a new one that's a great price.

Usually a rebuild from an auto electrician is around that price for regulator, pinion clutch, bushes, bearings.

Labour will cost around the same.

Matt

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 06:38 pm, by: James Buchan (Jrbuch)

Matt Petersen wrote on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 04:57 pm:

It looks hard, and I don't have the tools required to do a job like that.

Chris Lock
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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 06:41 pm, by: Chris Lock (Sledge)

yeah i said to him, is that an actual new one or a reco'd one, and he said it's a new one..

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 07:13 pm, by: Matt Petersen (Mattmannz)

Its not that hard and only requires a basic socket set and some spanners and pliers.

Just takes time and patience. I rebuilt mine myself, parts cost of around $100 plus my time. A lot easier to swallow than $700ish from a shop!

Matt.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 07:22 pm, by: Chris Lock (Sledge)

Matt: i'll give you $100 to come do mine then

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 07:43 pm, by: Mike Beck (Gold_40gt)

Matt Petersen wrote on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 07:13 pm:
Its not that hard and only requires a basic socket set and some spanners and pliers.

Just takes time and patience. I rebuilt mine myself, parts cost of around $100 plus my time. A lot easier to swallow than $700ish from a shop!

Matt.

Agreed.

Pretty damn easy job IMO.

What is hard about it?

But it's good people may find it difficult, easy money once I am a qualified Auto sparkie.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 09:34 pm, by: Nathan Richardson (Richtheblack)

Mike Beck wrote on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 07:43 pm:
But it's good people may find it difficult, easy money once I am a qualified Auto sparkie.

Hmmmm, I wonder if I'm a qualified Auto Sparky? That's right I am! Why the hell am I a pilot now?! Ah, I only get dirty when I want to!

Shame your not up here Chris, I'd be more than happy to help. Either way, I'd give it a crack your self.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 09:59 pm, by: Chris Lock (Sledge)

Other thing i'm thinking is if i do replace it myself, and it's still doing the same thing, i still have to get someone else to do it anyway.. whereas if it's there and they are looking at it, they can test the starter motor on the spot to see if it's faulty etc.
Plus i don't really have the time atm..

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 10:20 pm, by: Nathan Richardson (Richtheblack)

Chris Lock wrote on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 09:59 pm:
Other thing i'm thinking is if i do replace it myself, and it's still doing the same thing, i still have to get someone else to do it anyway.. whereas if it's there and they are looking at it, they can test the starter motor on the spot to see if it's faulty etc.
Plus i don't really have the time atm..

Mate, I'd personally do the time consuming stuff yourself. It will probably be the labour to remove and refit the intake manifold that will blow out the cost. If you can do this, and take the starter in, your auto elec can run it on the test bench.

If you do not have the time though, not much choice I guess.

Myles Jantzen
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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 10:50 pm, by: Myles Jantzen (Maxx999)

Chris just buy some beer and say your having a bbq, get it done fast then lol. By the way is there anything else in there that would need replacing like knock sensors? and do our V8's have that EGR stuff mentioned in the club lexus post?

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 11:27 pm, by: Mike Beck (Gold_40gt)

Nathan Richardson wrote on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 09:34 pm:
Hmmmm, I wonder if I'm a qualified Auto Sparky? That's right I am! Why the hell am I a pilot now?! Ah, I only get dirty when I want to!

A pilot and an auto electrician that owns a manual supercharged UZZ32....... You must be a cool bloke!

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Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 07:12 am, by: Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt)

Agreed, I'm not an auto anything - I'm a software developer! But I usually manage to bodge my way through stuff like this with my fairly limited skills and tools.

"Complicated" and "time consuming" are two different things. As long as you take careful note when you pull everything apart, and label anything you don't think you can remember, then pulling the inlet manifold off and putting it back on is not complicated, just time consuming.

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Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 07:23 am, by: Chris Lock (Sledge)

Myles Jantzen wrote on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 10:50 pm:
By the way is there anything else in there that would need replacing like knock sensors? and do our V8's have that EGR stuff mentioned in the club lexus post?

No idea to either of those questions..