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Shaydan Penniment
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Sunday, September 19, 2010 - 07:38 pm, by:  Shaydan Penniment (Shaydy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey people.

I was thinking of doing a BFI that Peter has done a tut for, but i was looking at the old mans xb falcon, and it gave me an idea.

I have seen other threads about bonnet scoops and quite a few look good. But i don't really want a scoop when i've only got the standard engine and no mods.

So what i was thinking (excuse me if this has already been covered but i haven't seen it done) was- what if i got a nostril type of scoop (like on the ford XA's and XB's etc except just one) and put it in front of the air filter after doing the open BFI so that the air channels in and gives it a huge amount of cold air. Obviously i would change the standard air filter to a washable one.

I would then cover the back of the of the nostril with mesh to help stop unwanted visitors coming into my air filter.

As i said this is only an idea, and i'm welcoming all suggestions as i don't want to make this car look like one of those rice box 180sx's with the fake scoops on.

cheers
Dave Rose
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Sunday, September 19, 2010 - 11:06 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Check out Planet Soarer BFI as this has all the tests
Benny Gammelmark
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Sunday, October 03, 2010 - 11:56 pm, by:  Benny Gammelmark (Oldfield) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And remember to stick with the standard Toyota air filter. It is better than K&N's as long as it is replaced every year or so.

YOu will have all the scoop you need at the front of the car as soon as you have done the BFI III. It works well.
179 KW at the rear wheels on a n/a '1996 is what I got (with headers and a chip). Planet Soarer is conservative in the estimate of gained power. From what I remember you get about 10% with the correct setup.
Evan Nguyen
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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 07:43 am, by:  Evan Nguyen (Enguyen87) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Benny Gammelmark wrote on Sunday, October 03, 2010 - 11:56 pm:

stick with the standard Toyota air filter. It is better than K&N



Has there been any test on this? Brand new toyota filter against a brand new k&n filter? I've got a highflow K&N panel filter and wouldn't mind seeing the results if there is any.
Matthew Sharpe
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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 09:10 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

K&N let more dirt through, and not really much more air.
Shaydan Penniment
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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 06:34 pm, by:  Shaydan Penniment (Shaydy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well lucky, i was about to go buy a K&N filter tomorrow for $198

A problem with the nostril is how to not let water in. I don't really fancy water getting into my air filter haha
Mike Beck
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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 06:54 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matthew Sharpe wrote on Monday, October 04, 2010 - 09:10 am:




Yeah OEM filters are perfectly fine.
Matthew Bell
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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 08:44 pm, by:  Matthew Bell (Delxa) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

$198 sounds very rich for a K&N. Even ripoff merchants AutoBarn are letting them go for around $100 at the moment. Just don't expect them to know which one fits your car. :-)
Matthew Sharpe
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Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 06:40 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess the advantage is that the K&N will eventually pay for itself by lasting basically forever, as long as you service it.
Scott Casey
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Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 06:56 am, by:  Scott Casey (V8soarer_1991) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i have seen tests carried out in one of the USofA car mag that tested the no filter with standard pipe, standard intake, k&n filter, k&n filter with intake pipe.

k&n filter and intake pipe lost power over the standard filter and intake.

pm Steven Malkin about one of his Cold Air Induction Kits

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/21901/9186.html?1208166727
Evan Nguyen
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Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 07:53 am, by:  Evan Nguyen (Enguyen87) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've seen something similar but that was with a k&n pod filter and not a k&n panel filter.

And I bought my Mines K&N panel filter for like 70bux posted from Japan
Joshua Rao
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Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 07:09 pm, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How Evan?
Evan Nguyen
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Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 07:30 pm, by:  Evan Nguyen (Enguyen87) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://page3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/c240793011
went with jesse streeter to get it for me. Ended up costing me $72 mid july including postage and commission.
Joshua Rao
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Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 03:50 am, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

wow how did you convert japanese and how do I get in contact with Mr streeter for the hook up?
Evan Nguyen
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Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 07:44 am, by:  Evan Nguyen (Enguyen87) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pm sent
Joshua Rao
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Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 09:37 am, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks
Blake Gloyn
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 08:21 am, by:  Blake Gloyn (Blakenz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i did fairly comprehensive airflow test on an air bench years ago. Basically i tested a used toyota filter against a new one, against k&N panel filter, all through a factory TT airbox. then redid the tests with the box opened up to try to replicate a BFI. i've listed the results previously.
the clean filter kills the dirty one. the K&N kills the clean factory one. BFi makes gains with all filters.
Filtration -wise, in the two tests i have seen , K&N were either first or second (compared to aftermarket brands). If you keep the oil on them-they filter fine.
Evan Nguyen
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 10:09 am, by:  Evan Nguyen (Enguyen87) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the results Blake. Makes me feel better about my K&N filter
Shaydan Penniment
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Saturday, October 09, 2010 - 08:50 pm, by:  Shaydan Penniment (Shaydy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Okay so do you think i should go for the K&N filter? Repco said they have a flat panel or something to suit early v8 Toyota Soarer. I told her the model of my Soarer and the year but i don't know if she was listening to me. She just said $198

Discount auto parts offered me a very cheap offer of $350. How generous.
Matthew Sharpe
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Sunday, October 10, 2010 - 10:42 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Woah, you could get 7 or 8 factory filters for that kind of money - thats at least 150,000km's of motoring.
Damian Ware
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Monday, October 11, 2010 - 07:20 am, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Blake Gloyn wrote on Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 08:21 am:

i've listed the results previously.
the clean filter kills the dirty one. the K&N kills the clean factory one. BFi makes gains with all filters.
Filtration -wise, in the two tests i have seen , K&N were either first or second (compared to aftermarket brands). If you keep the oil on them-they filter fine.




You cannot use an oiled filter legally on the road and you certainly cannot use an oiled filter on a V8 soarer as it will stuff the AFM.

K&N filters from every result I have seen offer very poor filtration and flow well. They suit track cars with engines that are rebuilt regularly.

If you are looking for the best filter known to man there are two options TRD filter or Apexi.
Joshua Rao
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Monday, October 11, 2010 - 07:39 am, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I remember hpi did a review on pods and apexi was not good
Damian Ware
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Monday, October 11, 2010 - 11:35 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Joshua Rao wrote on Monday, October 11, 2010 - 07:39 am:

I remember hpi did a review on pods and apexi was not good




That would disagree with every other flow test, rwhp test and filtration test I have seen to date.
Paul Knox
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Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 11:44 am, by:  Paul Knox (Surreal) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmmm Damian, I asked for a TRD from Castle hill many years ago, What I got was a TOM's filter.
I have used it for over 6 years and no problems and Its an OIL type. I was unaware of the fact they are illegal ??? can you explain why ? and why they could possibly damage the AFM ?
Damian Ware
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Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 01:22 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paul do a search on the V8 AFM there is plenty of info.

As to being illegal yep they sure are I don't completely agree with the reasoning but they can in supposedly catch on fire in the event of an engine backfire.

As to the TRD filters there are two types one for street non oiled and one for track which is oiled.
Shaydan Penniment
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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 06:29 pm, by:  Shaydan Penniment (Shaydy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Okay, maybe i'll just stick with the standard filter. Too much commotion.

But what does anyone think of the nostril idea? The gap in the nostril will only be an inch or less so it doesn't look like a huge hole. More like a sleek cut which has grooves on either side leading up to it. If you get what i mean?

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