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John Stafford
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Soarer UZZ31 GT-L V8 and a UZZ32 # 514

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Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 02:06 pm, by:  John Stafford (Johng12) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi all, I have spent some time looking for something on LPG on the forum but it says to open in a new window on the articles that come up on search, one particularly by Damian Ware, but the search engine just takes me to a page that has many threads, amongst which I can not see an LPG topics. Should I just start this new thread or am I missing it somewhere? Cheers and thanks for any help here. John
Peter Nitschke
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Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 10:06 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

John, I don't understand what problem you are describing.

For me, searching on "LPG" got 105 threads listed 15 per page. Each thread has multiple posts with the word LPG in it, and some look interesting.
John Stafford
TryHard
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Soarer UZZ31 GT-L V8 and a UZZ32 # 514

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Wednesday, January 25, 2012 - 01:31 am, by:  John Stafford (Johng12) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Peter for ensuring me that there was nothing wrong with the system, just with my not seeing that it was searching only "my favourites" instead of all fields. Problem solved, cheers John
John Stafford
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Soarer UZZ31 GT-L V8 and a UZZ32 # 514

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Wednesday, January 25, 2012 - 05:12 am, by:  John Stafford (Johng12) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi fellow thinkers,
I just wrote this post onto the end of an old one on LpG but thought maybe I should have started a new post so here it is:
I am not half as clever or educated as many of you on the forum but I wanted to have a go at the Hydrogen separator (HHO)thing so worked on 4 cars as a hobby with serious desires for 4 years, 2 that were running LPG already and 2 others, one was my V8 soarer.

I made up the HHO systems for the first 3 cars myself according to plans on that I bought on the net in 2008 but for the Soarer I bought a professional unit that would make plenty of HHO from the U.S.in 2010. I had plenty of hassles installing it and getting around the need to have dry HHO going into the engine after corroding my valves in one of my cars with wet (with caustic soda) HHO.
I wired up 2 efies (Electronic fuel injection enhancement) to my Soarer, one for each bank of my V8 to adjust the signal from the oxy sensors to the ECU (I fitted new oxy sensors just to be sure too) and away we went with the greatest of hopes with my new system, which was now becoming more expensive.
I tried every possible setting on the efies and ending up with a miss that only went away when I reset my ECU. I tried to believe that I was getting an improvement but I finally had to concede that economy was exactly the same as before, within 1 klm of driving with the system as to with it over 80 litres of fuel.

I took the unit off and am waiting for someone wiser than me to succeed so that I can pick their brains. If that person is you, please stand up.

My wife thinks I am easily fooled but I choose to believe that I am just lacking in know-how. Too many testify to success for me to think it is a myth but the kind of car makes a big difference as to whether you can overcome the automatic fuel adjustment that in inevitable when you introduce more oxygen into the system. I did get at least 15% better with my LPG cars but got caustic into my valves in one of them, my 2jz engined VL commodore. I had to redo the head, so haven't put the system back on again till I get more answers, a dryer maybe one day (they are $100). I am thinking that after my discouragement has fully worn off my answer may lay with a resister in the air flow meter but have to get some more advise on that.

Has anyone done this on a Soarer V8 and how has it worked for you. If the car was OBD 2 it would seem more possible as there are not chips that have the right maps to fix things on the OBD 2s but I don't have that, so must find another way.

There is a different approach under test with no known end in site. This different approach splits the oxygen from the Hydrogen in the electroliser (hydrogen maker) and vents the oxygen to the air but the membrane that is being used is not fail safe. Without the oxygen in the equation the computer (ECU) is not a issue.

Finding space to fit the system is a big challenge in the soarer if you are trying to work to a budget and not just spend money on manufacturing tanks to specially fit the Soarer as the electoliser must be below the header tank in what is called a dry cell system (it is not actually dry, just called that to differentiate it from the bottle or tank of water idea that has plenty of free space with plenty of electrolyte around it as apposed to the more enclosed tightly aligned plates systems that use minimal electrolyte in direct contact with the plates being fed from a header tank.

There was also wiring up a relay with sufficient size wires to take the 30 amp charge and Pulse width modulators to change the nature of the hydrogen to get more power. There was the need to fit an amp meter to keep things on track and a bubbler to get any moisture out (this did not work sufficiently well and so another filter was added).
Nothing I did seems to crack the secret code and so it seemed that the Soarer along with a 3000cc Mitsubishi fitted into the category of cars that HHO just won't work on but after reading the posts of the price of LPG going up maybe my idea of going to LPG injection is not so good long term and maybe I need to revert to more work on this HHO. There must be a way.

By the way I did fit LPG vapour injection to my 2jz VVTI engined Commodore. It works well but still needs playing with to eliminate the slingshot effect when I flatten the pedal to the metal.

But my real quest is the petrol company free alternative. Anyone with me? Cheers John

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