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Rob Charles
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V8 UZZ31

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Tuesday, October 07, 2014 - 12:51 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi guys, so for the last while I've had a leaky fuel issue.

Fuel seeps out from the petrol cap area, down out the flap towards the exhaust - thus ruining paint and so on. Luckily my paint is fine as I washed the residue off each day.
Other people are not so lucky.

Anyway, today I finally fixed the restrictor leak by resealing it.

I used a 2 part epoxy (radiator/petrol tank repairer) which you simply squash together (with haste being used) and the end result is like chewing gum.
It sets like steel in around 3 minutes.
After 2 minutes it is too hard to work with.
You have a 1-2 minute window to do this job.
http://i.imgur.com/rvVTYwn.jpg


So this is what I did (see pics).

1. I opened the fuel lid and inspected the restrictor. Seemed snug. Noticed a bit of silicon that was brittle. I actually had already taken it out before snapping this pic... It was 'tightly sealed' by the looks of it. (but it was not).
http://i.imgur.com/8OezM9x.jpg

2. I put a screwdriver in between the restrictor and fuel filler tube - then twisted it.
http://imgur.com/fGfkvSz

3. The thing actually popped right off. No resistance at all. It was obviously ready to be resealed. 1 twist and it popped off.
Note how gunky and brittle the thing was.
http://imgur.com/s3CauwU
http://imgur.com/vyIqkPG

4. Now the interesting thing. Whoever mucked about with the filler tube before i bought the car, had actually warped the tube itself.
I could not put the restrictor back in properly without wiggling/angling it strangely.
http://imgur.com/H5O87Gj
You can see in this picture where the bottom right of the tube is deformed. I raged as I only noticed this after I already put the epoxy on the restrictor - and it wouldn't fit back in the hole in time... (now the restrictor is sitting 1cm higher than fuel filler tube, but still sealed - we will get to that shortly).

5. These are pics showing what the restrictor looks like.
http://imgur.com/QJeQC43
http://imgur.com/gdD9mt7
http://i.imgur.com/zR1XWvt.jpg
6. Clean it with metho to make sure the epoxy sets properly - same with your hands. Use soap and water or similar. No grease, no contamination.
http://imgur.com/XDlL3aw

7. The inside of the filler tube, with no restrictor. This was cleaned also.
http://imgur.com/7p9Ev66


8. Roll the epoxy together into a sausage and fit it under the fuel restrictor lip.

9. Press it firmly back into the fuel filler tube.

10. Wait 2 hours at least before driving.


Note:
The restrictor would not allow me to push it in the tube again due to warping of the tube somehow.
I had 30 seconds before the goop set like steel.
I had tried to put the restrictor in, but always had about a 1cm gap - the steel goop was setting fast.
In the end, I put it the right way up, used more goop - and it is now sealed, although 1cm higher than it should be if the tube wasn't warped.

http://imgur.com/wvEJ75g
http://imgur.com/82fDva5
http://imgur.com/P7MrnLr

Anyway - Hope this helps someone out.

P.S. tried to upload pics to the website, but there is a 1024x limit on image size - rendering all my pics useless here.
A 1024 size limit is very low.

Ben Lipman
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Tuesday, October 07, 2014 - 03:19 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

G'day Rob, sorry I didn't see you posts until now. I did this once before and it worked a treat (I used "Knead it"- sounds like what you used). I need to do it again as it has recently started to leak again. I wish I had of kept my unmolested Japanese OEM filler neck and cap from the racecar...that never leaked.
Rob Charles
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V8 UZZ31

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Tuesday, October 07, 2014 - 05:00 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Ben, this has worked great so far.
I'm also trying to get my hands on an OEM filler actually. The restrictor is just an annoyance really. (although it does have a flap for splashback or what not which could come in handy)

The epoxy will be found at supercheap auto (or other car shops) for around $10.00 -

Depending how it is currently sealed, either silicon or steel epoxy, will gauge how long this job takes. Also, brittle steel epoxy may fall into the tank if it hasn't already.

If you can't get the restrictor out, simply buy a new filler neck for $50 or less from one of our members :-)

(I had another idea that you could just silicon the top of the restrictor to the tube whilst still in the car, without removing it. No idea if this would work however.)

Good luck!
Rob Charles
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Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 10:59 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Update - Two months later - Still not a single drop of fuel.

Very happy with myself.

Although, the petrol bowser does hang a bit loose due to the wonky tube :-)
Roland Elliott
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Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 01:27 am, by:  Roland Elliott (Aussie2013) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Seems to me like at some point in history someone drove off from the servo with the bowser filler in the neck and bent the tube, hence loosening the Lead free downgrade restricter.
Rob Charles
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Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 01:29 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol, maybe :-)
Mike Beck
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Tuesday, February 03, 2015 - 05:43 am, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is this a silly Aussie compliance thing?
Tom Richards
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Tuesday, February 03, 2015 - 06:02 am, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yes. came in when leaded petrol was sold and the pump had a large nozzle. The small restrictor stopped leaded fuel being put in. Serves no purpose these days as leaded fuel is gone
Roland Elliott
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Tuesday, February 03, 2015 - 05:00 pm, by:  Roland Elliott (Aussie2013) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The restrictor was also used in America and some other countries so people would not put Leaded fuel in an unleaded car, if you put leaded fuel in it will straight away ruin the cat converters.
Peter Nitschke
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Thursday, February 05, 2015 - 07:48 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's no longer a requirement so I don't get why people fix and replace it.
Robert Day
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Thursday, February 05, 2015 - 10:32 pm, by:  Robert Day (Lexsmaz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Peter,

I didn't ever change the restrictor on my old Soarer, but I have seen pic's as you no doubt have & it looks like they seem to butcher & open up the original filler neck to fit the restrictor & if you don't re-use the restrictor after removing it the petrol caps doesn't fit or seal any more ..
Brett Harrison
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Friday, February 06, 2015 - 10:32 am, by:  Brett Harrison (Bretto) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Exactly,

The compliance destruction process. Everything completed in compliance makes the car worse, just look at the seatbelts that get replaced.
Scott Vim
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Friday, February 06, 2015 - 11:32 am, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Some cars managed to retain factory seatbelts. Mine had Jap ones in it. What are the compliance seatbelts like? Can't quite understand why they are good enough for Japan and NSW but deemed unsafe for Victoria? Sounds like a lot red tape made up by wankers.
Brett Harrison
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Friday, February 06, 2015 - 02:33 pm, by:  Brett Harrison (Bretto) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just bureaucratic rubbish. At least we could import these great cars to start with. Toyota Australia is land of the boring.
Scott Vim
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Friday, February 06, 2015 - 06:16 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Toyota Australia is big rip offs. They quote about double the price of parts compared to the likes of Kudos.
Robert Day
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Friday, February 06, 2015 - 11:35 pm, by:  Robert Day (Lexsmaz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Seems they came to their senses about leaving the factory seat Jap belts in from around 93 - 94 onwards ..

As you said Scott its absolute Bullshit in my eyes that they even changed them in the first place !! surely they don't crash any different over there !! I didn't realise NSW didn't replace the early belts for compliance & if that's the case that's even more up that its ok for them but not us ..

Some Jap cars I have heard they even change all the rubber brake Hoses, to good old Aussie spec ones ( which are probably inferior to start with !! )
Myles Jantzen
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Sunday, February 08, 2015 - 12:02 am, by:  Myles Jantzen (Maxx999) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jap seatbelts are the bomb, so smooth and only lock up when needed......Aus ones on the other hand ....

Actually I think if you yank hard enough on the Jap ones they actually do lock up as well......not anywhere as easily as the Aus spec though.
Rob Charles
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Sunday, April 05, 2015 - 11:49 am, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My Aussie drivers side belt has started to only retract when it wants to - gives me the absolute sh#ts.

Wonder where I can score some Jap spec belts now the car is registered and all that...

Anyone have a link? :-)
Scott Vim
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Sunday, April 05, 2015 - 01:52 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep it's true that NSW compliance did not change the belts. So the Jap belts are good enough for NSW but not Vic. They must hate each other.
Rob Charles
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Monday, April 13, 2015 - 06:13 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Victoria is a load of Sh!t seriously.
The biggest nanny state of them all.
More speed cameras than any other state in Australia I believe.
So many road laws here it is incredible.
Can't even legally have a blower sticking out of the car anymore.

:/

What a joke.
Should move to NSW!

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