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Rob Charles
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Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Monday, March 30, 2015 - 11:44 am, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok so an update!

The air intake was LITERALLY glued onto the throttlebody - and it had a crack right underneath where it joins to the TB.
This is why it could not be removed.

The previous dude obviously glued/siliconed the air intake to the TB in order to seal the crack and keep it in place :/

I got the intake off by smashing it to bits :-)

Anyhow - put a new intake on, everything is fine in that area - it now comes off sweet.

Intake hose disconnects from throttlebody to maf.
No need to remove headlights or so on lol.

No performance gain with new intake.
Brett Harrison
DieHard
QLD
JZZ30

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Monday, March 30, 2015 - 11:04 pm, by:  Brett Harrison (Bretto) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don't clean maf !

Don't touch tps unless you know what you are doing, most mechanics don't have a clue how to adjust them.

IACV is an easy clean without removing from intake.
Daniel Bonnor
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soarer uuz31

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Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 01:12 am, by:  Daniel Bonnor (Majorlunacy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if you had fun so far wait until the engine mounts need changing
James Buchan
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Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 10:03 am, by:  James Buchan (Jrbuch) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Of course you won't get any performance gain by changing the intake piping without fitting/tuning an ECU and doing the AFM delete. Any engine management system that allows your tuner to remove the AFM, and replace it with a map sensor is the way to go.

When I had my 1UZ, I had some good gains from doing that. I ran an e-manage ultimate, did the AFM delete and had 3inch mild steel piping from throttle body to airbox. Sounded fantastic.

It was several years ago now, and have since changed cars, but this is what Cihan had to say when he tuned it back in the day.



'The 1UZ-FE + MAF-less Emanage Ultimate combination is a big winner. There are significant power gains to be made by freeing up the standard intake tract. I've measured over 1.2 psi pressure drop over the standard intake manifold at full bore on a standard engine with an exhaust system. Thats 1.2psi out of a possible ~15 psi lost to the airflow meter, intake box, throttle body and air filter. AFM removal, with a 3 inch intake pipe assemble and high flow panel reduced the pressure drop at 7000rpm to 0.6psi. The net difference was 6rwkw from the AFM removal and revised intake setup on a standard engine after the emanage had already been tuned. Tuning + AFM removal combined released in excess of 18rwkw, which translated to a legitimate %15 power increase for this engine.

Another aspect of engine performance that is significantly improved is 'transient' response, the amount of time it takes for the engine to achieve full torque output. I've found that when running with the AFM disconnected, using the TPS as a load source acceleration enrichment corrections are much sharper.

With the complete ignition table corrected for, the improvement coming off the line is significant. I've measured a hefty torque difference under stall, off memory it was over %15 increase in tractive effort <2500rpm.'
Mike Beck
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New Zealand
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Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 12:50 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

^ Yeah the AFM delete is a big one. I still need to get onto that.

Even just disconnecting the AFM running default fuel and ignition values makes a substanial difference. It was the case in my E36 1UZ particularly. AFM working, 1/4 mile 14.5, AFM off, 1/4 Mile, 13.9... half a second!

It's the same effect on my UZZ32, it's soggy as anything working, noticeably sharper unplugged.
Rob Charles
TryHard
Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Thursday, April 02, 2015 - 12:21 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just curious, What number 32 do you have Mike?
Also, realistically - if you were to sell it next weekend, what would you sell it for?

(I am not offering to buy - Just curious).

:-)
Mike Beck
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Thursday, April 02, 2015 - 04:58 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Rob Charles wrote on Thursday, April 02, 2015 - 12:21 pm:

Just curious, What number 32 do you have Mike?
Also, realistically - if you were to sell it next weekend, what would you sell it for?




No.32 :-)

The market is poor for them as most people dont know them, or know how to work on them... it's quite sad. I think it should be worth around 10k to the right buyer, but this is NZ so I'd be lucky to get 5 or 6k... and it would just get driven into the ground.
Brett Harrison
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JZZ30

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Thursday, April 02, 2015 - 08:29 pm, by:  Brett Harrison (Bretto) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah 1uzs run much stronger when AFM disconnected. Heaps more timing below 2800rpm, air fuel ratio goes a bit skyward.
Rob Charles
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Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Friday, April 03, 2015 - 11:09 am, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am of the opinion that seeing as only 800 UZZ32's exist in the world (I believe), that the car should STILL be worth $50,000 or so.

It is amazing how low priced our cars are in 2015.
You can pick up a fairly decent (body and interior) V8 for 1-2k today!

They were over $120,000 brand new.
So WTF people?

Obviously cars devalue over time - usually - but still, to ask under 10k for a UZZ32 is nonsense in my eyes.
I mean it's terrific for a buyer who knows what the car is - but not terrific for the seller, ie. you.


But seriously, I think we should all raise prices on our cars.
Why is a crappy ugly supra that was $45,000 brand new still worth 3x as much as a Soarer!

Bah.

UNITE SOARER OWNERS!

Let's think about what our cars offer, and price them accordingly once more.

"Got a ratty uzz31? - Great! - It's now worth $15k".

:-) eh?
Roland Elliott
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uzz32 1uz-fe

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Friday, April 03, 2015 - 11:42 am, by:  Roland Elliott (Aussie2013) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My 32 is in top condition, I would hope it is worth more than 1 K.
Rob Charles
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V8 UZZ31

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Friday, April 03, 2015 - 12:01 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"There are 800 UZZ32's in the world left."

800.

there are like billions of people - without a UZZ32.

You are in this rare club of rarities which not many other people can claim to be part of.
799 other people can - but that is not a lot of people.

To even consider under $10,000 is blasphemy!

Next year there may be 700 left.
In 10 years there may be 35 left.
Who knows? o_O

Taken from a suspicious site moderated by millions of random turkeys:

"The UZZ32 was the top of the line 30 series featuring all of the options available on the UZZ31 but with the added feature of four-wheel steering and a complex hydraulic, computer-controlled Toyota Active Control Suspension.

This did away with conventional springs and anti-roll (stabiliser) bars in favour of hydraulic struts controlled by an array of sensors (such as yaw velocity sensors, vertical G sensors, height sensors, wheel speed sensors, longitudinal and lateral G sensors) that detected cornering, acceleration and braking forces. The system worked well and gave an unusually controlled yet smooth ride with no body roll.

However, the additional weight and power requirements of the system affected straight-line performance somewhat. The car was costly to produce and at close to ¥8 million in 1995, expensive to buy.
As a result, only 873 UZZ32's were made and are now collectors items in right-hand drive markets such as the UK and Australia. The UZZ32 Soarer became the second shortest production run model for Toyota following the 2000GT in the late 60's."


So... Logic suggests that this car should still be worth $50,000 as mentioned above in the other post :-)

"What is a car really worth to a fan?"

Hrmmm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS-ysvO2hMc
Roland Elliott
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Friday, April 03, 2015 - 01:07 pm, by:  Roland Elliott (Aussie2013) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The last count through all the lexus/toyota soarer forums etc gave a count of approx 186 left worldwide, of the UZZ32's . there are some around on top of that that are being wrecked.
Scott Vim
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Friday, April 03, 2015 - 03:27 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Problem with that logic is that there are billions of people who don't want a uzz32. Supply and demand. It's only worth what people are willing to pay. I can say my house is worth a million dollars. Will anyone pay that? If the answer is no then it's not worth that much.
Mike Beck
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Friday, April 03, 2015 - 05:05 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Haha yeah guys it's a frustrating one.

I think what Scott said ^ is quite true. Supply and demand.

There is not much demand for these machines, except within the Soarer community.

There's a UZZ32 for sale here in New Zealand, a very rare car - one of five I've tracked down that are working. I mentioned it to the owner via email but go no reply. Sounds like he couldn't careless.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/lexus/auction-867007302.htm

It's Fred Fuch's old car, he pampered for years from what I gathered. I believe it's onto the second owner after him. Priced at $6,250 currently, it's been advertised for over a month and the price has been dropped from $8,000 originally.

I've found NZ is a terrible market for such rare specialized cars, a lot of the hoons that would buy it would remove the active struts for $1000 el cheapo china coilovers. This is the fate many UZZ31s have suffered.

I would love to buy it, but 2 Soarers are enough of a handful to deal with!
Boris Siljanoski
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Saturday, April 04, 2015 - 08:56 pm, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Any car that has the feel, functions and uniqueness of the Soarer is worth much more compared to it's original sale price. So I too find it confusing why Soarers and SC's are not fetching much more money.

They just drive so well.

I would put it down to it just being a coincidence.

I would pay good money for a good Soarer.
Ali Saeed
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Sunday, April 05, 2015 - 04:05 am, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Because there are 80,000 sh*t ones all over the world.
Robert Faggian
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Monday, April 06, 2015 - 09:52 am, by:  Robert Faggian (Tanooki_suit) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Correct Ali. You see quite a few on the roads in Melbourne these days, and 9 out of ten 10 are completely trashed and driven by young hoons with no money or desire to fix them. We are witnessing the demise of the Soarer. In ten years it will be the diehards with well restored Soarers left and a very limited parts market to keep them going.
Dave Rose
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Monday, April 06, 2015 - 05:50 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just about to sell my 97 uzz31 model as it just sits in the garage hoping to get $10000 as it looks like its just left the factory ,unmarked inside and out and it did win first prize at the Toyota show here in Perth, comes with all factory extras+ digital TV, our importer who lives in JP searched for me for 6 months back in 07 to find a mint V8.

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Rob Charles
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Monday, April 06, 2015 - 06:29 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's a nice lookin clean ride you got there!
Looks like my white ones condition (minus the paint scrape on the rear left wheel arch from a hoon which needs to be fixed still)

Insurance valued mine and a friends car at 12k.
So, to ask $10,000 is not a bad figure for a nice uzz31.

I'm semi-selling mine for around 7k right now - needs rear left wheel arch sprayed, and the front bumper sprayed from stone chips.
Also has alternator whine - so price has dropped.
Unsure if I want to sell it though.

Interior is shmicko still :-)

I literally think that these cars should be around the $10,000 mark - for an average/ratty uzz31.

They are unique - perfect to drive - and so on.

If a Supra or ratty skyline can still fetch 10k - why can't ours?
Maybe we just need to spread the word on how awesome owning a Soarer is...

Just waiting for all the bogans to sell their ratty Soarer's for 2-3k first before I list mine for 9k again after fixing it up...
I look funny listing it for 8-9k whilst all other ones are 2-3k. (although mine is better).

I mean think about it...
Car costs at least 5k to get it imported from Japan - so that's already 5k added onto the price of what you want to sell the car for.

It does not make sense that crazy bogan types are selling their car for less than the price of the import cost - regardless what condition it is in.

So, seriously, i think the time has come to raise prices of our beloved cars :-)
Scott Vim
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Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 10:20 am, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice award Dave. Very good example. Rob your car needs a lot of work that's why it's not worth $10k. Dave's car looks exceptional. How many kms Dave?
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Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 02:26 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Scott, It arrived in my garage in 07 with 98 ks warranted , now its on 139600 with history , at 108ks i changed the timing belt,the two tensioners, water pump,all hoses,acc belt,etc just to make sure it was as new as possible i changed the engine and gearbox mounts . people who are not car minded think its a brand new car because of the interior is as new.
It has factory LSD diff ,TRC,sundim windows, LCD mirror , sunshine roof, heated memory seats, i fitted height controler ,rear cam, dig TV ,running lights.

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Tim Schroeter
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Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 07:34 pm, by:  Tim Schroeter (790) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Beautiful car, pity to sell it. There would't be many 31s as good as this. The good side to the low prices now is that the average cars will be sacrificed for parts. The best remaining cars will become more in demand. Don't forget the 30 series is only a couple of years off club rego.
Tom Richards
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Wednesday, April 08, 2015 - 05:21 am, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

rob, with all the issues you talk about, your car would be lucky to pull $3k
Rob Charles
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Wednesday, April 08, 2015 - 07:17 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's the issue :-)

The car is actually not bad - it just has this problem right now where it's not at 100%.

only 5 things or so can cause it - all things are pretty cheap to fix.

I won't sell til properly fixed - if i sell at all.
Scott Vim
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Thursday, April 09, 2015 - 09:35 am, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you sell it the buyer will google your car and find out the car is a bomb. Unless you used a fake name? (likely). What did you pay for the car?
Rob Charles
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Monday, April 13, 2015 - 05:59 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Heh...

I paid $2800 for the car without reg.
Was one of the NICEST Soarers that I saw in Victoria at the time, not a single issue.

It had speaker whine - but that was nothing considering I paid basically nothing for it.

As time went on, I noticed the rad cap was ruined - and leaking coolant.
Some stooge bogan swiped me in the emergency lane to overtake me in his crap 4WD - so I need a respray on the rear left wheel arch.

Now, I have a lack of launch power.

Otherwise, car is still in top shape - no issues - no cracks - nice n clean.

Only error codes are 84 and 63 (solenoid 2 and front right suspension sensor too high).

I'm lowering the Soarer tomorrow - hoping that will fix things as it sits 1-2 inches higher than all other corners.
There is no leak luckily!

Soarers are worth 10-14k through insurance right now - even a ratty 1991 uzz31 - I was very happy to find it so cheap and in such good condition compared to the other six or so which I saw.

So yeah, basically once I put $500 or so back into the car, it is once again going to be in top shape.

Semi very happy with it :-)

(The seller sold it so cheap as he was being suspicious and claimed he needed house deposit or something - which set off red flags - but after a test drive - the thing was fine.)

Oh - and after i bought the car, I went to start and drive it home but the idle was surging from 1000-2200rpm over and over.
People claim it's the IACV, but I noticed it's a power steering issue. When fluid is low, idle surges - and when fluid is full, idle does not surge anymore.

For example - if idle is surging when you start the car, you turn the car off and add ATF.
Instantly the surging stops.
But if you don't add fluid, it keeps surging.
I think this is the little vacuum switch thing on the pump itself - sucking fluid into the intake.
Don't think it's leaking onto the alternator luckily!

Oh, and I'm going to get an ecu recap within the month.

Crazy eh :-)
Tim Schroeter
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Monday, April 13, 2015 - 08:19 pm, by:  Tim Schroeter (790) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rob seems you are enjoying sorting out the glitches. True enthusiast! Your probably going a bit 'outside your square'. Good to see.
Mike Beck
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Tuesday, April 14, 2015 - 11:51 am, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Rob Charles wrote on Monday, April 13, 2015 - 05:59 pm:

Soarers are worth 10-14k through insurance right now - even a ratty 1991 uzz31




Wont most insurance companies do it as a market value policy though?
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Tuesday, April 14, 2015 - 12:48 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Customers often say "ins valued it at 10k or RAC say its worth 10k" ,fantastic, will they buy it?

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