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Greg Wyllie
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Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 06:58 am, by:  Greg Wyllie (Bearshead) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi All

Driving back from airport, car had been parked for a week, without any warning car just started pouring out serious smoke from exhaust. I had to stop it and get it towed home.

I'm interstate again and wasn't able to get a mechanic to have a look yet. Engine has 150k kms with no modifications and is daily driver.

Any ideas what may have happened ? Thanks, Greg
Tom Richards
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Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 09:03 am, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

blocked cat? was the engine running rough? Running on 4 cylinders is usually a coil stuffed.
Greg Wyllie
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Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 10:19 am, by:  Greg Wyllie (Bearshead) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Tom, it only started running rough intermittently and then the smoke poured ou, I was lucky to make it out of M5 tunnel as I thought something internally must of let go. Seemed to be plenty of power so not sure if running on just 4 and I don't think the cat light came on
Tom Richards
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Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 10:38 am, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i would start it up and let it run to see if it is running on 4 cylinders. 90% of the time it is the coil on the passenger side, just above the A/C compressor. plenty on ebay, or supercheap etc.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ignition-Coil-Toyota-4Runner-Celica-Hilux-Landcruiser-MR2-Soarer-Liteace- 22R-1FZ-/321196258950?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item4ac8c9f686

If you have a multi meter, the primary (the 2 pins on the plug) should read 0 ohms.from the primary to the secondary (ht output) should read ~12.5k ohms
Scott Vim
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Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 10:56 am, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It will sound like a tractor if it's only running on one and it will have no power. When mine failed I could barely get the car to 60km/h.
Mitch Templar
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Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 11:02 am, by:  Mitch Templar (Ra23celica) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If its blue smoke that is generally oil so dip your stick and check the level, then look around for obvious oil leaks. Next up get a compression test to see if its blow by past worn rings.
Greg Wyllie
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Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 05:17 pm, by:  Greg Wyllie (Bearshead) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm back on weekend however the oil level was OK and no apparent leaks

My basic knowledge is blue smoke = burnt oil, black smoke = unburnt fuel, so I'm assuming it must be a ring or valve guide as it doesn't blow smoke @ idle
Tom Richards
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Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 07:11 pm, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Blue smoke is normally oil being burnt, but i would be very surprised if a ring or valve guide is stuffed, Also they would not give an intermittent problem, it would be there all the time, and would be unlikely to "just happen."

I would still guess LHS coil.
Scott Vim
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Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 07:20 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You just don't hear about that happening to a 1uz. In my old Hilux which had a 1uz, the cooling system was far below par. It over heated more times then I can count. This is definitely poor practice and should be addressed. However, I had no burning oil or unusual engine problems. Very strong motor. Everyone told me that being an alloy motor overheating would destroy it. That usually comes from a lack of knowledge of the 1uz. It's possible to have ring failure but very unlikely.
Greg Wyllie
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Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 10:44 pm, by:  Greg Wyllie (Bearshead) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK, so what's involved and the time needed to replace both coil packs?
Daniel Bonnor
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Friday, February 27, 2015 - 12:03 am, by:  Daniel Bonnor (Majorlunacy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi greg depending on how dextrous you are and what tools you use and how you do it (i.e. what you take off) about 30-45 minutes one trick i've done is to mount the passenger side coil backwards in the bracket so it sits out gets more airflow around it
Scott Vim
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Friday, February 27, 2015 - 12:43 am, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The top one is a 5 minute job but that's the one that never seems to fail.
Greg Wyllie
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Friday, February 27, 2015 - 04:51 pm, by:  Greg Wyllie (Bearshead) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Update, just back from interstate and viewing it in daylight it is blowing white smoke not blue, very strong smell of petrol and no visible oil leaks, running rough but still idles. I've ordered 2 x Coil Packs, $82 via Ebay and will have them fitted while I'm away next week. Toyota OEM are $225 each !! Fingers crossed this fixes it
Tom Richards
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Friday, February 27, 2015 - 09:27 pm, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

problem will be fixed
Tim Schroeter
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Saturday, February 28, 2015 - 10:14 pm, by:  Tim Schroeter (790) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greg, little story. I picked up a cheap 31, 18 months ago. Same symptoms. Owner was driving it to get a pink slip, started running rough, blowing smoke. His mechanic couldn't work it out, thought it was broken rings. Got quickly worse, owner couldn't even get it home. Was using about 1 litre of fuel a minute, blowing it unburnt out the exhaust. This Jan I recapped the ecu while on holidays. 8 of the 11 Electros were leaking, 1 was open circuit. Now runs perfect.
Worth considering.
Greg Wyllie
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Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 11:00 am, by:  Greg Wyllie (Bearshead) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Tim. thanks for the info. I'm replacing both coil packs, if that is not the problem next step is to try a spare re-capped ECU I've got.

I've gone back over a lot of these threads and I'm hopeful it is the coils, however owning a Soarer is not an exact science so stay tuned!
Greg Wyllie
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Tuesday, March 03, 2015 - 11:18 pm, by:  Greg Wyllie (Bearshead) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Update: The coils have been replaced however it is still blowing some white smoke and a strong smell of petrol but not running rough and idling fine. I'm interstate so just relaying the mechanics comments.

I'm thinking that it's ECU, I've got a spare one and will try that when I get back on weekend.

Any other thoughts guys?
Daniel Bonnor
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Wednesday, March 04, 2015 - 01:58 am, by:  Daniel Bonnor (Majorlunacy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

depending how long it's been run with dead coil maybe dregs of fuel in cats/exhaust need to run up to temp and see if it clears up
Tom Richards
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Wednesday, March 04, 2015 - 08:38 am, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

agree with daniel, cats soaked in fuel?
Greg Wyllie
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Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 04:30 pm, by:  Greg Wyllie (Bearshead) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, I get back in the morning, I would assume the excess fuel would be gone once at operating temperature ?
Tim Schroeter
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Sunday, March 08, 2015 - 09:23 am, by:  Tim Schroeter (790) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree, My 31 blew smoke for half an hour after the repaired ecu was fitted. but it cleared up & runs fine.
Greg Wyllie
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Sunday, March 08, 2015 - 09:48 pm, by:  Greg Wyllie (Bearshead) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All good, was blowing white smoke initially, got it up to temperature and 50km run on Freeway and is now fine, thanks for the help
Tom Richards
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Monday, March 09, 2015 - 06:07 am, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

no worries greg, that is what the forum is for , to help each other out
Greg Wyllie
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Sunday, April 05, 2015 - 11:48 am, by:  Greg Wyllie (Bearshead) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi All, problem just resurfaced , hadn't started car for 4 day, running rough and white smoke again ?

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