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Rob Charles
TryHard
Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Friday, November 28, 2014 - 01:24 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So, I had plans today.

The plans involved Maf clean/TPS adjustment/throttlebody clean/snorkel inspection.
I thought "Ok, it will be '6' screws, and that's it. It will take me 30 mins to an hour max."
So... Tried to remove the snorkel.
Turns out that the car must be jacked up, tyre removed (or angled at least), headlight must be removed from inner guard, then you can get to the air snorkel screws and remove that section.

Why not design them to just bolt in normally like every other car in the world...
At the same time, to get at the IACV, the whole top half of the engine(covers) must come off, including snorkel and headlight etc...

To be honest, this car sort of gives me the sh#ts.
Sure - it's easy work, 20-30 mins here and there - but god damn. If they moved the iacv up a tad, or moved the plug shelf out the way, or even put proper headlights and a snorkel in - things would be so much easier.

Who makes you jack the car up to remove a headlight? :/
Oh - And who makes you remove a headlight to get at the IACV? :/

<facepalm>

Love the car - when it works - but lots of fiddly nonsense things could have been avoided via different/better design.

Sort of makes sense why random hoon mechanic types like to charge so much - it's simply for the runaround.
As everything has to come off to 'clean/fix' anything else in this car anyway, it's a great idea to replace everything at the same time - while half your engine bay is going to be torn down for anything else you ever have to do to your beast anyhow.

- Also, don't hire lube mobil to set your TPS...
- The dunce didn't put the screw back in and set it wrong...

That's all folks. I feel better now :-)
Will post results when the rain stops!
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
UZZ32 No.32 & JZZ31 3.0GT

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Friday, November 28, 2014 - 02:34 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hahaha.

Try work on some other cars 2000+ from Europe then you will love the Soarer.

I've worked on many cars and find the Soarers are a very easy car to work on, with plenty of logic in their design.
Scott Vim
Goo Roo
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

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Friday, November 28, 2014 - 05:38 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

300zx.
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
UZZ32 No.32 & JZZ31 3.0GT

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Friday, November 28, 2014 - 05:44 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

2000 Peugeot 306
Scott Vim
Goo Roo
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

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Friday, November 28, 2014 - 06:46 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Vt commodore- have to remove the battery to change a simple globe. Rob this is just the nature of working on cars. You're a newbie so after you do a few things you'll figure out thats what happens when you work with a lot of things compacted into a small area.
Scott Vim
Goo Roo
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

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Friday, November 28, 2014 - 06:51 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Soarer has an oversized bonnet area. The jzx100 has the same 1jz and almost no room.
Scott Vim
Goo Roo
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

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Friday, November 28, 2014 - 06:53 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I removed my snorkle once and made a bfi Now to take the air box out is a very quick job for me.
Mark Donovan
DieHard
Auckland
V8 Limited, LS400

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Friday, November 28, 2014 - 09:01 pm, by:  Mark Donovan (Mark_donovan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Any jag xjs v12 from the 80's
John Street
TryHard
NSW
VE Calais V8, 2009 Saab 9-3 Turbo

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Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 08:08 am, by:  John Street (Rex2ce) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You do not have to remove snorkel and headlight etc to get to Iacv, maybe you should read some tutes before starting jobs
Dave Rose
Goo Roo
wa
UZZ31 / ML320 CDI

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Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 09:40 am, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Air cleaners are a one hour job to change elements on our merc, 10 seconds on uzz31

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Robert Day
DieHard
Victoria
V8 & 1J VVTI

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Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 11:37 am, by:  Robert Day (Lexsmaz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I shouldn't get involved, but I will slightly in that who would do a Snorkel inspection & for what need !! to much time on ones hands ?? & a few other things I could say but won't ..
Rob Charles
TryHard
Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 12:21 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Back again but still haven't done anything, mud everywhere!

Hi John,
Pretty sure you have to remove snorkel+headlight to get at the iacv, as there is a shelf with the spark plug wires in front which can't be removed without removing engine covers - which can't be removed without the snorkel being removed...
So, you can't pull the iacv out without this thing being removed.

If you can find a tutorial and link me, that'd be great. All I've found is 'how to clean it' - not actually how to remove it.
Must tutorials start after the bit where you remove covers n things, so says nothing about the snorkel or headlights etc.

Also, Rob! - The snorkel was just my clever way of saying "check for vac leaks or cracks"...
I've got this idle surging/looping issue in park n neutral + high revs sometimes.
I figure it's a vac leak, or the iacv sticking.

So - while the snorkel is off, I'll check for issues and also clean the iacv.
If this doesn't fix my high idle/surging issue, it must be the ECU!

(also, i will be setting tps to stock as lube mobil are dunces).

:-)


Oh, speaking of the idle surging/high idle thing, the other day I started the car, it idled in D at about 1100rpm (does this randomly). I stopped at the lights, and the car jolted - then i noticed my idle went back to 700rpm where it should be...
This has never happened before... Usually the car has to be turned off for 10 or so minutes with a 50/50 success rate of starting up with proper idle.

(still have not found power steering leak - i'm sure it's the idle air up valve sucking fluid into the intake... No leaks anywhere, just missing fluid each month. As power steering is vac related, it could cause faulty idle... Also, if the idle valve is shonky, and sucking fluid into the intake - maybe the maf is ruined with power steering fluid as liquid could have passed through the filter...)

Fun times. At least things are being sorted now.
Easy enough to work on the car yourself - no need to pay random mechanics. In fact, probably better if you dont - as we seemingly know more about our cars than they do - especially lube mobil :-)
Tom Richards
Goo Roo
nsw
V8

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Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 01:15 pm, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

rob, the snorkel goes from the front of the airbox to under the grill. I think you are confusing throttle body and snorkel
Boris Siljanoski
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Western Australia
LS400 + Soarer.

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Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 05:21 pm, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rob if removing a headlight is getting on your nerves or IACV, I think you'll be murdering children come the time you have to do your water pump.
Scott Vim
Goo Roo
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

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Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 06:14 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rob with the kinds of things you're asking I strongly suggest you take it to a good mechanic.
John Street
TryHard
NSW
VE Calais V8, 2009 Saab 9-3 Turbo

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Sunday, November 30, 2014 - 11:45 am, by:  John Street (Rex2ce) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rob, here is a link
http://planetsoarer.com/IAC/iac.htm

When you open Planet Soarer, at the bottom of the home page is a button which says PS full version, most of the info is in there
Rob Charles
TryHard
Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Tuesday, December 02, 2014 - 07:54 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi guys, and thanks for the link John.
I've been going there for a year - never noticed the full version however...
Saved the site!

Anyway, still haven't taken things apart.
When i tried to take the intake away from the throttlebody+clamp, it seemed to not want to actually come away... Like it was stuck...
This lead me to believe that since all screws were taken out and it was still not coming away from TB, that it had to come completely off from under the headlight - as it's all attached.
The air duct under grill, leads under headlight to the snorkel. You can't remove snorkel from the duct without removing headlight seemingly.

I can't find any info online about how to remove air intake - all I'm going off is my own eyes as such.
Where the intake attaches to the TB with a clamp, you'd think you could undo the clamp and simply pull the snorkel away - but something won't let you.

The picture below, is the intake and some kind of thing attached to it. The other pipe is a custom intake thing, not relevant to this post.

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scenario:

1. open hood
2. undo TB/intake clamp
3. undo screws.
4. try to pull intake away from tb.
5. Nothing budges.
6. Don't wanna pull too hard, could break...
7. Pulled hard enough... Something is wrong.
8. Look at intake, notice it's attached to thing.
9. Thing is in pic above. (silver thing not mine).
10.Post rant on Soarer central.

The intake seems stuck to that box lookin thing in the pic above... I undid all screws. It still won't move. Is there a trick ?

***All i want to do is remove intake from throttlebody to spray some goop in there - wtf do i do? lol.

See that pic above? well, when I undo the clamp from the intake/tb, i can't actually pull the intake away from the tb. It stays perfectly firm.
I have taken all screws out from that area - everything from firewall to maf. Thing won't budge.

Is there a trick?

I assume you would simply undo TB clamp, and pull the intake off - the rubber boot thing should allow the intake to bend enough to allow this.
My thing won't even budge...
Rob Charles
TryHard
Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Tuesday, December 02, 2014 - 07:57 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh, one last note.

I am most aware that I sound like a dunce.
I do appreciate your info however.

Mechanics won't even touch my car out here...
Those who have, have made it worse...

So I said "I'll do it myself! I'll do it for free and I'll learn from the most informed Soarer guys on the planet!", and here we are.

:-)
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
G6E Turbo

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Friday, December 05, 2014 - 11:11 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The "thing" is a resonator box to reduce unwanted harmonic noises from induction.

It's been many years since I removed the air intake from a 1UZ-FE but I don't ever recall having to remove the headlight. I think there were a couple of screws holding the snorkle that goes under the light to the air filter enclosure that I recall being difficult to get at, but not impossible, and after that it was a doddle. There are a number of bolts and screws that hold parts of the intake system to the body but they are all pretty obvious, at least in my memory they are...

No doubt someone with more recent experience will be more useful.
Rob Charles
TryHard
Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Friday, December 05, 2014 - 07:51 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Matt, thanks for the reply!

It's been pouring down and is all muddy here - I'll keep you guys updated with what i do.

I had another look before. I have a suspicion that the dude has somehow glued the intake to the TB...
This would explain a lot.
I've seen it happen before - you know how bogans are :-)

All screws are out - thing won't budge.
Now, I'm either missing 1 bolt, or the thing is glued on or something...

I'll take a better look tomorrow.
John Street
TryHard
NSW
VE Calais V8, 2009 Saab 9-3 Turbo

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Friday, December 05, 2014 - 11:49 pm, by:  John Street (Rex2ce) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rob
There is a bolt over the back of the resonator near the throttle cable?
As for the continued problems with your car, remove the main ECU and send it to one of the people on this forum who re cap them, I reckon that will fix all your problems
Rob Charles
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Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 10:26 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi John, I'm pretty sure I took out all bolts.
I'll post pics shortly showing which ones I took out.

- Also, the ecu says "OK" in diagnostics on the TV screen... Everything else not working is showing up as "communication error" or what not instead.

My plans involve an ecu recap, iacv clean, maf clean, tb clean - and new alternator.

I posted a link where people can get a cheap ECU recap on this forum also...
My issue is that I need to prioritize at the moment... Cash is very limited.

Hopefully within the month that'l change :-)
Rob Charles
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Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 10:43 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)



So... Funny story.
After looking at the pic below, I realized something.

After i removed all bolts and the clamp and so on, i noticed that bolt near the firewall under the throttle cable cover thing.

I went inside to find an attachment so i could reach it.
I came back out and had a mindblank obviously - and forgot all about the bolt at the back.
I started undoing the bolt right in front of the airfilter - and forgot about the firewall bolt.
Then cracked the sh!ts and posted on this forum.

-________-


What a dunce.

Now, my memory is a bit hazy, so can't actually remember removing the bolt near firewall... I think I did, but let's assume I didnt...

So - Tomorrow I will try again.
I'm pretty sure that's what happened anyway. Otherwise, the original story holds true :-)


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This pic is of the throttle body cable cover thing and firewall.
John Street
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Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 08:30 am, by:  John Street (Rex2ce) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think you need a Bex and a good lie down, when you get up again, remove the ECU and get it repaired and so stop wasting your money
Rob Charles
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Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Tuesday, December 09, 2014 - 06:35 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So turns out that i MUST have taken the bolt out the other day - coz even now, with all bolts out - the thing won't budge.

Ermagurhd.

I'll fix it tomorrow!

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