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Rob Charles
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Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 01:02 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A lot of Soarer owners claim that if they are at a stop - and put the foot down - they will not do a burnout.
Not even a little chirp or skid.

When I got my car, I could put the foot down and the car would literally spin til around 50kmh or so.
Now, it does not. It is a slug til 30kmh or so.

So - Who here can still do a burnout from a stop with the foot down?

Stop dead. No stall. Put foot down.
Do you do a burnout?

Just curious :-)
Mark Brunning
Tinkerer
Vic
V8 GTL-Limited

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Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 01:10 pm, by:  Mark Brunning (96limited) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi mate I have a 96 v8 , before I did any mods yeah I could chirp wheels and spin rears with a bit of moisture on road, after costa did 3 in straight through exhaust with headers power jumped up from 130rwk to 165-170, I have 18s and rear tyres 265 and yeah can do burnout
Rob Charles
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Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 01:13 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good to hear!
I'm just wondering why I have a lack of 0-30kmh power now.
Have a few issues mentioned in other threads.

A few Soarer owners claim they can't do a burnout or get a chirp and that's normal.
(Which lead me to believe something was wrong or modded in my car, as I could spin up pretty good).

This is nonsense considering that a 130kw 240nm jaguar can spin the wheels from a stop on dry roads up to about 20kmh.
An XA-BF falcon with less power than the Soarer can also spin the wheels from launch.

It's slightly worrying to pull out in an intersection with the Soarer right now - it has no instant perkiness.

"what has gone wrong since I bought the car?"...

Anyway, back on topic - Who here can still do a burnout? :-)
Mark Brunning
Tinkerer
Vic
V8 GTL-Limited

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Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 01:19 pm, by:  Mark Brunning (96limited) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know from stock early models very difficult to spin, u say u could before?
Rob Charles
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Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 01:24 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yup,
For the first 2 weeks after buying the car, I could literally exit my drive way - and put the foot down - the car would absolutely fly whilst chirping.

Then one day it stopped.
The redline also hit 7500-8000rpm a few times briefly (I put this down to low trans fluid at the time which was replaced a month later - as that can give a higher rpm than expected)

Now, I can only hit 6300rpm (the proper limiter), the take off from 0-30kmh is barely there, but once I hit 30 - it's a rocket again.

Am getting error code 63 (solenoid #2 in gearbox), but am unsure if that's the ECU or the solenoid itself.
(bad ecu can throw bad codes).

But, even when driving it manually, putting the foot down in first gear - the car is a slug til 30kmh or so.

In fact, my mothers 4 cylinder Hyundai excel beats it to around 40kmh... But soon as the Soarer hits 30-40kmh the Hyundai is far far behind.

Seems that the RPM's takes 1 second longer to redline than before also...
Am due for an Oil/filter change - but surely that's not causing it...
Error 63 states that in D, you should take off in first gear, skip 2nd and 3rd, and wind up in 4th.

I am getting all gears however.
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
UZZ32 No.32 & JZZ31 3.0GT

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Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 01:40 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My 32 can break traction fairly easy depending on the road surface.

Time for better tyres!
Daniel Bonnor
Tinkerer
Queensland
soarer uuz31

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Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 04:18 pm, by:  Daniel Bonnor (Majorlunacy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

considering that would be a type 1 i'm not game to try
James Johnson
DieHard
Auckland
95 UZZ31 with R154

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Saturday, April 11, 2015 - 06:07 am, by:  James Johnson (Jimbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Mark Brunning wrote on Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 01:10 pm:

3 in straight through exhaust with headers power jumped up from 130rwk to 165-170,




Doubt it is anywhere near 165-170rwkw with only those mods, probably looking at 150 mark unless you haven't mentioned some other mods.

I has been a while since I last had anything close to stock but when I did, both Soarer's I have owned have been able to break traction fairly easily with no wider than 225 tyres.
Blaine Hanson
DieHard
WA
Soarer V8 (203RWHP), FGX XR8 (680RWHP)

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Saturday, April 11, 2015 - 10:05 am, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think you will find tires have a huge impact.

Once I put decent rubber on mine ( 295 rear ) it couldn't spin it's wheels again no matter how hard I tried under normal circumstances.

Remember the V8 Soarer is only 160-200RWHP stock.
Blaine Hanson
DieHard
WA
Soarer V8 (203RWHP), FGX XR8 (680RWHP)

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Saturday, April 11, 2015 - 12:05 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://planetsoarer.com/dynolibrary/dynolibrary.htm
Robert Day
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Victoria
V8 & 1J VVTI

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Saturday, April 11, 2015 - 03:42 pm, by:  Robert Day (Lexsmaz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm guessing you still haven't had your ECU looked at yet & if not get it done amongst the list of other things recommended by others ..

As I have mentioned to you before no amount of talking about a problem is going to fix it ..
Rob Charles
TryHard
Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Monday, April 13, 2015 - 05:40 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ECU recap still needed.
Still have trans error 63 (solenoid 2).

Spent all my play money on a trans flush this week.
Will have to wait til next week for the ECU :-)
Scott Vim
Goo Roo
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

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Monday, April 13, 2015 - 08:23 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah saying the same thing over and over does not fix things or help out others. Finding the issue and fixing it then posting the answer does. All you is add to gold. Now when I have an ecu issue I have to sort through all your rubbish saying you should really fix your ecu. Long posts about your theories. No one cares. Just get it done ya turkey. Don't want to see another post about booking your ecu in or why you couldn't do it (radiator flush or oil change).
Brett Harrison
DieHard
QLD
JZZ30

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Monday, April 13, 2015 - 10:22 pm, by:  Brett Harrison (Bretto) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

^ ^ ^
This guy knows..
Boris Siljanoski
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Western Australia
LS400 + Soarer.

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Tuesday, April 14, 2015 - 06:54 pm, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If your breaking traction in a fairly stock V8 Soarer, you have very cheap, bad or old tyres or very stiff suspension.

Soarers with a proper exhaust, headers and ECU Upgrade can make about 170rwkw, they really do respond well to these mods.

Guys come on there is no need for bullying, you can simply ignore comments you don't like or get your point across in a different way.

Rob - Code 63 is related to a faulty transmission solenoid, common fault - have you tried to replace the solenoids?
Rob Charles
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Victoria
V8 UZZ31

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Tuesday, May 19, 2015 - 07:10 pm, by:  Rob Charles (Pearl_white) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Boris, i have not changed solenoid yet!

Right now, the Soarer is used for quick runs to the local shop whilst sick.

3 guys have quoted me over $750 for a solenoid install + service. Rip off.

The solenoid (1+2) is $140 brand new.
Labour is $80-100 per hour.
etc.
Whole job should take 1 hour or just edging on two.

I think I might do this job myself also.
So many con artists out there.

(all parts can be found at supercheap also which is handy! - aside from solenoid)

Boris is most helpful.
Read a lot of his posts.

:-)
Darcy Tregilgas
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South Australia
Soarer V8

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Wednesday, March 16, 2016 - 03:42 pm, by:  Darcy Tregilgas (Darkfleet) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry to bring this post back from the dead, but I have coil overs in my 91 uzz31 and with them set on stiff or soft, if I drive down a dirt road (I live in rural SA) I can easily spin the wheels as much as I want in almost every gear, until there is no loose gravel. The wheels instantly grip again, which can be a bit scary when you are sideways round a bend mind you.
I only run 225/45/17 on the rear, and it’s just grip all day every day, till there is a tiny amount of gravel or moisture. From a stand still, if it is a cool dry day, with cold tyres etc, I cannot spin the back wheels by putting my foot down or anything. If it is wet at all, spins easily. My old 7m Cressida with WIDE wheels and a bhg used to spin the wheels like it was nothing. That car was manual though, but didn’t have to try very hard.
Am I doing something wrong or am I just lacking in power after 25 years of abuse? Like OP, my car decimates my mates once going over 30, but they almost always get the jump on me to begin with.

I’m thinking about getting some hurricane extractors and a system to match and see where that gets me, even just freeing up the old girl a bit more. Also looking into a shift kit as I don’t think I will be able to afford a manual conversion any time soon.
Raoul Duke
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Victoria
Soarer UZZ31 V8

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Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - 12:25 am, by:  Raoul Duke (Hunter) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have the same problem not being able to spin rear tyres on dry roads. My car is a bit slow right now under 3000rpm then it takes off faster than hell; It's like it has a turbo. With the maf unplugged you get a lot more power and it will spin.
Lesser power higher weight cars can spin tyres easily even as an auto, so something must be wrong.


I think the problem is the ECU coolant temp sensor or the usual plugs/coils/dizzies.
If the sensor is out enough the car might think it's 0 degrees and play up, but not throw a code necessarily. It's $30 at repco so I'll let you know how it goes in the coming weeks.

i've heard the sensor fixes lots of fuel and slowdown quirks on the Lexus LS400 which runs the same engine. It's all over the LS400 forums.
Smitty Jackson
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Georgia
SC400 4.0L V8

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Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - 02:52 pm, by:  Smitty Jackson (Black_sheep_mu0) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My SC400 will boil the tires on dry pavement when I turned the traction control off, I just deleted the traction control and ABS not to long ago and it spins the tires all day, I don't know if the Soarers came with traction control over there,but maybe if so there is a problem with the traction control not disengaging, I do have issues with low rpm at idle, and it is a bit laggy on takeoff sometimes, but it still spins the tires really well. I wish you the best of luck with it.
Blaine Hanson
DieHard
WA
FGX XR8 (680RWHP)

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Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - 11:27 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just FYI, the US SC400s run a different ECU than the Japanese Soarers.



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Smitty Jackson
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Georgia
SC400 4.0L V8

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Thursday, October 27, 2016 - 03:12 am, by:  Smitty Jackson (Black_sheep_mu0) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What is the difference between the two? I know we have a bunch of emissions junk on our motors in the US, but is there any other differences between the two?
Blaine Hanson
DieHard
WA
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Thursday, October 27, 2016 - 03:49 am, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A search found this:

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/282/89946.html

It will work in the Soarer BUT it is intended for use on an engine with EGR setup which Soarers don't have but SC400's do. This results in an "engine electrical" error and a bit of a miss when changing gear when throttle is full open (all the time in my car!).
Not too bad to live with and worth trying as it is.
The EGR circuit uses pins on the connector that aren't fitted in the Soarer connector wiring loom so the cure will involve an internal mod to the ECU which I haven't had time to work out yet but should be easy.
The SC400 ECU has no speed cut and slightly higher rev limit (6400 or 6600 revs, not sure which) and does seem to go a bit better too.

and:

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/51876/262559.html

Short answer, no.

Long answer sort of.

If you want to go down this path keep in mind the US spec ECUs were designed to work with 4 wide band oxygen sensors. Jap spec cars only used 2 narrow band oxygen sensors.

and: http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/282/343320.html

Personally I just ran a SARD modified ECU with a Motec piggy backed to it when I added the supercharger.

Wolf also make a plug and play ECU for the Soarers that that gives the tuner total control and will also control the auto.
I have one of those as well somewhere, I may sell one day if I ever find it.
Raoul Duke
Tinkerer
Victoria
Soarer UZZ31 V8

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Monday, November 14, 2016 - 08:41 pm, by:  Raoul Duke (Hunter) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

IF you get a Soarer from outside of California usa, the UZZ30 ecu should work in a 31, as long as pins fit. 40/40/40.

California USA had all the pollution laws and a unique SC400/LS400 ecu which is labled as such I was told.

Please correct me if wrong.

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