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Mark Northcott
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 09:13 am, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys well went to go home from work last night, started my car then next second it's not changed and was idling mad low. Anyways drove back to a mates (like 2mins away) car wasn't even near warm and the right cat was glowing red.

Anyways we ended up pulling the top cover off the engine were the spark plugs are and some clown has put good ol' NGK's in there. and the clearence gap is around about 3mm-4mm. And there were some that had evidence of extreme heat.
It was the whole right hand bank that so far is stuffed, haven't done the left one yet. I got new leads and plugs coming, but still timid as to what caused this and also if it's going to happen again.

Has anyone else had this problem? or something similar.

Also the cat light was lite up until the car cooled down and we tried to start it again.

Any help with this as well as would I need a new cat cuz of all the excess fuel that has blocked it??
Mark Paddick
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 12:35 pm, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is your name Mike? If so it's the NEW car; it should sound like a rex Ooops, that's the next thread down.


The catalytic converter will be stuffed...sorry.
Possibly they are cheap nasty compliance cats anyway; don't skimp on new ones. i'd also change both.
Mark Northcott
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 01:59 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah that's been done.
Also new candles and still doing it
Been on the phone to Neil he seems to think that it's the engine ECU.

Basically it's idling at 600rpm (with or without aircon)
Disconnecting the air-flow meter made no difference.
It is really fuely and is also really laggy in acceleration.
Dan McColl
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 02:02 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Could it be O2 sensors
Mark Northcott
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 02:39 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok trying to narrow this down.

There's spark coming out of the coil pack on the drivers side, but when it gets to the distrubuter cap it's either hasn't got enough spark to go in or there's not enough spark to come out...

Or there's a problem with that cap?\

It's apparently running on 2,3,5,8

I'm at work only going on what I'm being told.
Ryan Rankovic
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 02:45 pm, by:  Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

my TT was sounding like a monster rex the other week when I got water on the coilpacks while degreasing the engine bay... went away once it all dried out.

i dont think that helps your situation though sorry!
Mark Northcott
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 02:48 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Actually Ryan you may be right, called lexus and they had one with the same problem a couple of weeks ago, was the coil pack.
Leads are being tested now... So yeah. Bout to call Neil and order some coil packs lol and some leads.
Dan McColl
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 02:52 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Coil, Igniter, Cap, Rotor, leads, ECU,

Sounds probably like the cap, rotor, or leads/plugs. Make sure the lead from the coil to the cap is OK and plugged in.

Pull the cap off and have a look inside.

Could it be a cam angle sensor?? I don't think the V8's have them, but I'm not sure.
Mark Paddick
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 02:57 pm, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have two ECUs here doing the same thing so it's a good chance that's the problem.
Both are extremely rich at idle. One actually drives OK once it is over about 1500 rpm.
Going price for a 2nd hand one is in the $200 to $250 range.
Often they can be repaired and sometimes they just don't want to be. I don't have any good spares ATM.
Mark Northcott
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 03:00 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the thing that I'm finding funny is how it's only on one side of the engine...

I have been told it's a good chance it's the coil pack.
Damn public holiday in the middle of the week would make things alot easier as to getting stuff if peoples were still trading tomorrow. haha
Mark Paddick
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 03:13 pm, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

One side of engine IS strange, maybe it was a crook cat all along as it is the only thing I can think of common to one side. There are two igniters, dissys, caps and stuff but their outputs are split to both sides.
Mark Northcott
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 03:20 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The cats have been cleared and out of the problem.

For it to be the drivers side engine bank not having any spark would it be the coil pack?
Simon Triantafillou
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 03:22 pm, by:  Simon Triantafillou (Soarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sounds like a coil pack to me also. I accidentally left one of mine unplugged on mine when I did some work last time (turbo model) and the car sounded and drove as badly as a WRX.
Mark Northcott
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 03:54 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL i like that Simon drove as badly as a WRX.

Anyways car taken to my mechanics, and he said the coil pack is fine, looks like it's the cam sensor?? WTF??

I'm getting over these little turns lol.
Mark Paddick
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:18 pm, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The problem is that once the spark leaves the coil pack it goes through a distributor to two cylinders on each bank. You would need two faulty coil packs but only for 1/2 the time, same for distributors and rotors. Maybe damaged plug leads on one bank, cam on one bank or exhaust. Or 4 faulty injectors all on the one bank. Even the ECU would have a hard time keeping the fault to one side
Mark Northcott
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:30 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok my bad. Cylinders 2,3,5,8 aren't working which is the drivers side coil pack.

Pulled off the dizzy cap and rotor button both are McF--ked. Corrison n through them both just cleaning up now to see if it will at least fire on 8 cylinders.

Sorry for my lack of information.
Mark Paddick
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:59 pm, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Aaahh that makes more sense.
Dan McColl
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 06:33 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From memory, caps and rotors arent too expensive, It may well be worth doing both at the same time.
Steve Latimer
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 06:48 pm, by:  Steve Latimer (Latsus) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Recently had the same problem that you have outlined Mark.

By removing alternate coil pack leads was able to determine faulty unit, which was replaced with #90919-02197

Leaving car idling before test-run, engine stalled and upon re-starting ran as rough as a chaff-cutter(WRX).

Figured that I now had another faulty coil pack I replaced that as well.

End result: Car is behaving faultlessly,wallet is smarting a little($330inclGST)

Best of luck
Mark Northcott
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Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 03:48 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Steve
I'm going to order 2 new coil packs tomorrow from James at Castle Hill Toyota $142.50 each
Dizzy Caps - $45.00 each
Rotor Buttons - $15.00 each
New Leads $170.00

So yeah that wallet is going to be fairing a little worse for wear.
But i figure cuz no one is exactly sure what could be causing it I'd rather spend the extra and make sure it's ok. Cuz if's one side's gone there's prob a good chance the other side isn't far.

But when u look at the old spark plugs they have RS some have signs of corrison and others extreme heat.
Luke Middleton
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Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 09:04 pm, by:  Luke Middleton (Spook) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark,

I have a similar problem to yours, though mine is missing under load once the engine warms up.
I picked up a set of dizzy caps and rotor buttons and fitted them last night and still have the same problem.
My old rotor buttons were cracked.
The car does run smoother when not missing, but again once warmed up, put your foot down and it misses like a mad bastard.
Did James quote you on the parts? - I purchased the parts from him on Wednesday and he charged me $36.03 per rotor button and $57.20 per cap.
If you pick them up for the prices you listed, I'm back for a refund of the difference.
I suspect I may have a faulty coil pack or ECU.
Luke Middleton
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Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 09:19 pm, by:  Luke Middleton (Spook) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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Dan McColl
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Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 09:43 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It could be the igniters, luke, They have a tendency to play up when hot.
Mark Northcott
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Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 11:18 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry Luke the only prices that i got from James was for the coil packs.

The other parts are BOSCH (dizzy and rotor button)

Like i said i'm just going to do the whole lot as mates have said if u try to fix one thing another thing will just go, so just do it all at once.
Mark Northcott
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Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 11:28 pm, by:  Mark Northcott (My91gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh Luke I had that problem as well but instead of missing and rev's dropping it was revving up instead see pics below as to what the problem was.

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That wire was earthing out and causing I've just cable tied it now and it ran like a dream till the other day.

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