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Dave Hart
TryHard
Waikato
UZZ32

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Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 03:10 pm, by:  Dave Hart (Davyboy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's been said before that paying over the odds for Mobil 1 in older engines is a waste of money.
I was wondering if anyone has used that Nulon fully synthetic (10w-30)and can comment.
It's Aussie made but can now be got here in NZ and is a lot cheaper than Mobil 1.
Tim Staier
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Qld
Lancer 1.8 CE

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Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 05:23 pm, by:  Tim Staier (Tradewind) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

AMSOIL is a good thing, you will have a dealer for it in NZ
Anish Varsani
TryHard
QLD
V8 UZZ30

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Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 10:22 pm, by:  Anish Varsani (Yomama) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On a non turbo, you may as well save your money and use a good quality mineral or semisynthetic. If you're that worried, just change it more often.

If you look the the jap service sticker under your bonnet it says to change the oil every 15000km and that was back in the early 90's with older oil technology.

Most owners change their oil every 5000km.

Keep in mind that most "cheaper" synthetics are group III oils (ultra refined mineral oils with almost no impurities and volatile bits).
Justin Staier
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qld
v8 limited

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Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 11:04 pm, by:  Justin Staier (Psiuz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just thought should add that Amsoil make an ATF that meets Toyota type ii & iv requiements. Running in my uzz31 now and is sweet We've used some these oils for 15 yrs on the farm in many pieces of equipment terrific results.
Alfred Heng
TryHard
WA
V8 GT Limited

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Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 11:59 pm, by:  Alfred Heng (Alfred) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have been away from the motoring scene for a while - Why is using Mobile 1 in older engines a waste of money?
Anish Varsani
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QLD
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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 07:42 am, by:  Anish Varsani (Yomama) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As for ATF, mobil make an ATF for the toyota too, ATF3309. Similar price to their Dex3.
Don Bagnall
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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 12:59 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Over kill basicaly Alfred.
I quite happily use Castrol Magnatec 10W-40 with absolutely no problems whatsoever, along with the GENUINE Toyota oil-filter.
I should imagine that if you're running a worked TT, then something a little more special might be an advantage.
Matthew Sharpe
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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 01:28 pm, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Indeed, and Magnatec only $30 for 4 litres.
Anish Varsani
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QLD
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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 01:43 pm, by:  Anish Varsani (Yomama) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have you guys had problems with magnatec leaving varnish inside the engine? I've moticed it on all types of magnatec, the off the shelf 10w40 and the synthetic (magnatec SP, 5w40). Thought it had something to do with the additives in it but not sure.
Don Bagnall
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New Zealand
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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 01:57 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Never looked Anish, or noticed.
Matthew Sharpe
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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 02:18 pm, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Certainly left a varnish on the carpet in the boot when a (new, unopened) bottle toppled over on the way home and leaked all over the place. Castrol payed to get my boot valaid though, so it was all good...

It is supposed to leave a film of oil on metal parts (thus the "Magna") but it shouldn't be a varnish (ie, should come off with a rag). I've been using it for years with no problems.
Dave Hart
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Waikato
UZZ32

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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 03:30 pm, by:  Dave Hart (Davyboy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've been using Magnatec with no problems. Never need to top-up between services.
I was just interested in this Nulon oil from across the ditch which professes to be 36% lower in friction than other synthetics and a lot cheaper plus it comes in 6litre packs (I think that's what was said).
Don Bagnall
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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 03:44 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've seen the Nulon additives in the local speed shops and such, but have not tried the oil, as I, like you have no detectable oil consumption between changes
Ian Johnston
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South Australia
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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 08:44 pm, by:  Ian Johnston (Ted) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I use Mobil SemiSyn in my V8. No consumption between 5,000k services. I think the secret is to change more regular, like 5,000ks, and you wont have any problems. And do the filter at the same time. No real bad oil sold these days.
Dave Hart
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Waikato
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Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 08:42 am, by:  Dave Hart (Davyboy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just thinking, that apart from doing its main job of protecting the moving parts, its extra 'slickness' will mean less power loss and so extra k's between fills so saving money for other things.
Anish Varsani
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QLD
V8 UZZ30

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Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 05:46 pm, by:  Anish Varsani (Yomama) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Found the same thing Ian. Only get oil consumption on straight mineral oil. Seems to start burning off (250ml/1000km) after 3000km.

Semisynthetic moves about 2mm on the dipstick over 5000km of mainly highway driving.
Tim Appleton
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QLD
GT-L V8

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Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 08:33 am, by:  Tim Appleton (Timbo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I remember one of the lab guys at uni saying that Castrol Magnatec was the worst oil he had seen run on their four-ball test rig.
Clayton Webb
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South Australia
'31 V8

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Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 05:39 pm, by:  Clayton Webb (Clackers) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And it depends on how much of the engine has the ability to become magnetised. Some alloys used in engines have the same magnetical (?) properties as plastic.
John Wan
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V8

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Friday, March 24, 2006 - 10:52 pm, by:  John Wan (Johnwan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Full synthetic $50-$60 oil is cheap, for the extra protection and piece of mind for the engine.

Remember you are only changing the oil every 5000km or every 3months.

You pay close to $100.00 per fill up and only travel 400-500km per tank of fuel. This equates to about $1000.00 worth of fuel for 5000km of travel and people are worried about paying $50.00-$60.00 for full synthetic oil?

I can't figure it out???
Sam Ferguson
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South Australia
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Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 04:02 pm, by:  Sam Ferguson (Lexrsk) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

using Castrol Magnatec in a all alloy V8??
isn't alloy a non-magnetic metal??
seams to me like your wasting your money but i guess the bearing's are magnetic, but i still don't see the point of spending the extra money on the "magnetic" properties of the oil.
Just get a good quality oil to start with.
Anish Varsani
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QLD
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Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 04:11 pm, by:  Anish Varsani (Yomama) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The bore liners, crank shafts, cam shafts and a whole host of other bits are steel. The "all alloy" refers to the engine block casing.
Sam Ferguson
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Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 04:15 pm, by:  Sam Ferguson (Lexrsk) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok i have not seen what the internals of the V8's look like thanks for the correction
Kris Blackler
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WA
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Monday, March 27, 2006 - 03:17 pm, by:  Kris Blackler (Sleekcar) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

from what i have been told it has no magnetic properties what so ever. just sticks to the engine parts longer after being turned off than regular oils. i did see some other oil additive at super cheap the other day which looked convincing. cant remember what it was called.
Matthew Sharpe
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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 07:07 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My understanding is it has free ions in it and so does have some magnetic attraction to suitable metals.
Dave Hart
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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 04:39 pm, by:  Dave Hart (Davyboy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matthew Sharpe wrote on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 06:07 am:

My understanding is it has free ions in it



The ions might be free but the rest isn't.

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