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Elizabeth Hogan
Tinkerer
western australia
V8 Limited edition
Posts: 23
Reg: 02-2006
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Ok guys and Gals,
Im still having problems with me soarer.
If you all remember it was stalling and was told by the auto elec that it was my immobiliser which has since been changed.
Ive still got the same problem, car tries to turn over b ut nothing.
If i hook up to another battery and with a little extra power i can jump start it.
I can drive it around but once turned off it might start once more then nothing.
Things i have eliminated:
It is not the ECU fuel.
It is not the Fuel Pump.
It is not a bad earth.
It is not the alternator.
It is not the starter motor.
It is not the immobiliser because i rang the guy to come out and have it disconnected.
It is not the battery, i had the one in the car checked it is fine but i then went out and brought a new battery anyway still then same so my son has now got a new battery which he needed for his soarer.
Ive got the cruise sunday here in perth and am hoping that it is up and running without needing a jump start. Ive polished it all ready.
Im  what else could it be?
Liz
Perth WA |
Graham Dollisson
DieHard
QLD
I have more Leylands than Don
Posts: 798
Reg: 07-2005
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Fuel filter?? |
Elizabeth Hogan
Tinkerer
western australia
V8 Limited edition
Posts: 24
Reg: 02-2006
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I though about the fuel filter but once the car starts with a little jump start if it will not start itself , the car runs well.
So that is why i have'nt changed the fuel filter.
Liz |
Peter Chriss
Tinkerer
vic
limited V8
Posts: 97
Reg: 08-2005
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Will it always start when its cold or once you get to the second or third starting that's it? |
Elizabeth Hogan
Tinkerer
western australia
V8 Limited edition
Posts: 25
Reg: 02-2006
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It does not like the cold in the mornings.
But even during the day the motor will turn but not start.
Then later we could go out side and it will start.
Take it on a long drive, when we get back it might start three times in a row but then again it might not start at all.
Liz |
Peter Chriss
Tinkerer
vic
limited V8
Posts: 98
Reg: 08-2005
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When it wont start have you check for spark or removed the spark plugs to if they are wet with fuel OR damaged in any way.
What was the title of your last series of question so i can read though it.I might get an idea.
Pete |
Elizabeth Hogan
Tinkerer
western australia
V8 Limited edition
Posts: 26
Reg: 02-2006
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I have'nt checked the spark plugs yet, will do that in the morning.
I was having problems with the car stalling while driving.
When i pulled over i waited a while and it started again.
I by passed the ecu fuel for one day then
It kept doing this for some time until my other half took it down the shop and it stopped altogether.
I done a diagnostic check and every thing seemed fine.
I then got a Auto elec guy to come out and he told me it was the immobiliser.
The auto elec guy bypassed the immobiliser and put in a fuse and it ran fine.
I then booked it in straight away for a new immobiliser and alarm, once that was put it in ran one week and then the same problem stalling then not starting.
Then i started to eliminate what would have caused the problem.
So here i am with a soaring soarer that my other half is ready to 
Liz
Perth WA |
Peter Chriss
Tinkerer
vic
limited V8
Posts: 99
Reg: 08-2005
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The running fine then just cutting out then just starting up. Would lead me to one of the coils or ignition modules ,more so the modules than the coils. Very strange problem you have there Liz, its inconsistency definitely spells electrical. It is very difficult to give advice on how to fix a car without being able to see it or see what its doing.
Don't get worried because you will get to the bottom of this. |
Elizabeth Hogan
Tinkerer
western australia
V8 Limited edition
Posts: 27
Reg: 02-2006
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Thanks peter,
Where can i find the coils and the ignition modules.
I know under the bonnet 
Trying to get it fixed for the cruise on sunday here in perth.
Liz
Perth
WA |
Peter Chriss
Tinkerer
vic
limited V8
Posts: 100
Reg: 08-2005
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One of the coils is just next to the a/c pump(lower passenger hand side of the motor) the other is up top to the drivers side of the water return.
I don't have a pic for you but the ignition modules are up next to the passenger side suspension strutt.(I think they are referred to as igniters) and i have no idea on how to test them. If your son has a V8 too try swap them over to see what happens. |
Daniel Clarke
TryHard
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 459
Reg: 03-2006
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What about Air Flow Meter? I remember when my dads AFM died on his RB20T in his Skyline it played up like a Crank angle sensor! WOuld start and drive then Stall, wouldnt start, the run for 5 mins, then stop, then run for 2 days then stop, not start. Has anyone removed your AFM recently and maybe damaged it?
They are sensative things, and if damaged, some cars wont run without them. Just something else to check i guess. ( correct me if im wrong though peoples,hehe) |
Elizabeth Hogan
Tinkerer
western australia
V8 Limited edition
Posts: 29
Reg: 02-2006
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Yes my son does have a V8, we have been swapping things to eliminate.
I will check the coil and ignitor tomorrow.
I really appreciate the help i am getting from fellow members in this forum.
Fingers crossed and  for tomorrow.
Liz
Perth WA |
Elizabeth Hogan
Tinkerer
western australia
V8 Limited edition
Posts: 30
Reg: 02-2006
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Hi Daniel,
I havent taken anything out except the immobiliser but i was already having the problem when i took it out.
So im just eliminating things at this stage before i take it to anyone else costing me more money only for them to tell me its something else or they dont know what it is.
Its already cost me $600 onl,y to have the same problem.
Lucky i have my son's car to eliminate things.
thanks Anyway.
liz
Perth WA |
Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 5517
Reg: 11-2004
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What about the main ECU? |
Tamatha Chapman
TryHard
SA
V8 GT LIMITED
Posts: 222
Reg: 02-2006
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Have you had someone check you Fuel Pressure Regulator. If this is cracked can cause the car to starve for fuel (especially if it warms up), then when you let it sit for a few seconds (it cools back down reducing the crack) and allows you to re-start.
Just another thing to check before you buy any parts. |
Paul Drane
TryHard
QLD
V8 Limited
Posts: 286
Reg: 07-2005
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Elizabeth, check your crank angle sensor and wiring, drive belt can sometimes rub on the wiring. |
Don Bagnall
Moderator
New Zealand
I have WAY less Soarers than Hayden :-(
Posts: 4501
Reg: 05-2005
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I'm thinking IGNITOR. |
Elizabeth Hogan
Tinkerer
western australia
V8 Limited edition
Posts: 33
Reg: 02-2006
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OK,
ive swaped the ignitor over from my sons car and it does the same thing.
Ive located the coils - the ignition coil and the other one.
how do you get the ignition coil of as i will start with that one first.
Liz
Perth WA |
Elizabeth Hogan
Tinkerer
western australia
V8 Limited edition
Posts: 34
Reg: 02-2006
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The car sounds like it is not getting the spark to start, once you hook up the jumper leads and give it that little extra is turns over.
When i done a diagnostic check the ecu was fine.
Is the crank angle sensor the one near the front bumper on the passenger side below the light?
Liz
Perth WA} |
Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 5523
Reg: 11-2004
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Elizabeth, if the ECU itself goes faulty, it might not see it's own faults. Might be worth swapping just to prove it either way. Under the passengers carpet in the footwell. |
Elizabeth Hogan
Tinkerer
western australia
V8 Limited edition
Posts: 35
Reg: 02-2006
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is there a lot involved to remove the ecu?
Liz
Perth WA |
Paul Drane
TryHard
QLD
V8 Limited
Posts: 287
Reg: 07-2005
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you will see the sensor to the right of the crank pulley in this photo Elizabeth. |
Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 5524
Reg: 11-2004
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Elizabeth Hogan wrote on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 12:58 pm:is there a lot involved to remove the ecu?
Lift plastic trims on door sill. Unclip carpet from door sill. Fold carpet back as best you can, the early V8's have a thick foam backing (better noise insulation) that makes this a bit of a pain.
Remove 2 x 10mm nuts that holds plastic cover on.
Remove 10mm nut holding ECU down.
Undo bolt that lock plugs into front of ECU - it need a lot of undoing.
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Neil Griffiths
Trader
NSW
MANUAL Super Charged UZZ31 
Posts: 2479
Reg: 07-2005
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Coil will not give a no start.
Ignitor will not give a no start.
Putting jumper cables onto the battery may be giving the crook cap inside the Engine ECU a boost and allowing it to start.
Swap your sons ECU for yours.
Take cover of yours and you will more than likely see the single cap on the top board is all swollen and leaky. |
Elizabeth Hogan
Tinkerer
western australia
V8 Limited edition
Posts: 36
Reg: 02-2006
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thanks for that peter.
I have located the ecu and removed the ecu bolt, i was just wondering how to remove wiring , just undo the bolt and it will be out. Yay got it out.
Now i have to wait til it stops raining so i can go remove the ecu from my sons car.
Gee by the time i do all this ill know the car inside and out lol.
This is a good learning curve.
Thanks guys, this is the last thing im going to try.
After this its off to phil in maddington.
Thanks
Liz Perth WA |
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