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Ben Kelly
Tinkerer
Lidcombe
v8

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Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 05:51 pm, by:  Ben Kelly (Ace) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hope this is a simple problem with a simple fix. drive a v8 soarer with balanced rims, new lower control arm bushes, no trc, abs working fine; but get bad vibration on medium braking from over 50kph. Had the front discs machined and same problem. The vibration rattles the auto stick around a fair bit but i dont think its the gearbox as acceleration etc are smooth. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Dan McColl
Goo Roo
Victoria
UZZ 32 V8 Soarer #138

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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 01:34 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe the rear disks need machining. Maybe they botched the front disks.

Check for loose wheel nuts etc.
Andrew Ferres
TryHard
WA
'86 Cressida V8, '84 Soarer V8, '90 C-F Celsior V8

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Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 03:14 pm, by:  Andrew Ferres (Peewee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Vibration in the steering wheel usually indicates problem with the fronts.

Vibration in the chassis usually indicates problem with the rear.
Ben Kelly
Tinkerer
Lidcombe
v8

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Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 07:38 pm, by:  Ben Kelly (Ace) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

there is some vibation in the steering, but whats concerning is the vibration on the gearstick. Am i right to exclude the auto gearbox as the prob?
Andrew Ferres
TryHard
WA
'86 Cressida V8, '84 Soarer V8, '90 C-F Celsior V8

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Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 07:43 pm, by:  Andrew Ferres (Peewee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can you feel the vibration in your butt?
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
V8 Ltd manual

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Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 07:49 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pardon?
Andrew Ferres
TryHard
WA
'86 Cressida V8, '84 Soarer V8, '90 C-F Celsior V8

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Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 08:02 pm, by:  Andrew Ferres (Peewee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can you feel the vibration/shudder in the seat of your pants?
Carl Johnson
TryHard
QLD
93 UZZ31 Manual 1UZFE

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Friday, October 27, 2006 - 04:40 am, by:  Carl Johnson (Carlos) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Had vib through steering/front of car, got rear discs machined=fixed

See thread "Frustrating Vibration through front of car" for a long & detailed path to fix.
Ben Kelly
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Lidcombe
v8

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Friday, October 27, 2006 - 06:55 pm, by:  Ben Kelly (Ace) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Neil/carl, thanks for the tip, ill give it a go. Andrew: i'll probably pass on the arse vibration but thanks anyway.
Rehan Bandara
Tinkerer
NSW
TT

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Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 09:09 am, by:  Rehan Bandara (Parsec) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I bought my soarer with big brake shudder. I have access to a lathe and a machinist as my slave so I got him to stick my rotors on and face them off. I can't remember the runout, but they were done fairly well and i didn't have much shudder in the short term. I did notice a little bit though.

Anyway, after driving for a while, eventually the shudder came back. I checked the runout and found that the front rotors had warped again. I finally pulled the rears off to find they also had the same problem. I suspect what was happening is the small amount of pulsating from the rears was causing fluctuations in the brake line's pressure, which would cause the fronts to slowly warp in sympathy with the rears. Because the fronts do most of the braking, its easy to look at their warp with a dial gauge and blame them entirely, despite all of the rotors being the culprit.

My suggestion: bite the bullet and just get all four rotors machined. If you call around you should be able to find someone that will do them for about $40 each provided you pull them off yourself and bring them in.

The other thing is, once you get them done, replace your brake pads (you might as well) and make sure you bed them in properly!

anyway, that's my two cents.
Rehan Bandara
Tinkerer
NSW
TT

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Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 09:10 am, by:  Rehan Bandara (Parsec) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

oh, and i have zero brake shudder now.
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 10:50 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sounds like good advice.
Trevor Tai
TryHard
NSW
Soarer TT GT-TL

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Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 05:31 pm, by:  Trevor Tai (Quiksilva) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hmmm, think i'll give that a go too! I still got shudder after machining fronts, wheel alignment, and new front pads. Time to do the rear I guess...
Rehan Bandara
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NSW
TT

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Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 06:30 pm, by:  Rehan Bandara (Parsec) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey. i just noticed you live in lidcombe.

heh, i live in auburn. when i got all 4 done i took them to a guy in granville who was pretty nice and accomodating.

i didn't have any jack stands so basically i would jack the car up, pull the rotors off, drop them in the next morning before work and come pick them up in the afternoon. I then repeated the process the next day for the rears.

make sure you get all 4 done before you go driving.


that also reminds me, i couldn't actually find any aftermarket brake pads that would fit the fronts properly. the closest thing that ferodo made would interfere with the caliper. my solution: whip out the trusty old angle grinder and grind down the excess backing plate that caused the interference.


has anyone else had this problem?

don't know if there are any tutorials on brake pad replacement. a handy tip i can give you though is to go and buy a cheap g clamp so you can push the caliper pistons all the way in. you'll find that the caliper will be harder to fit over the rotor once the pads have been replaced.
Ben Kelly
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Lidcombe
v8

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Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 06:09 pm, by:  Ben Kelly (Ace) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Rehan. I havent got the time to pull them off myself so i'll prob have to take somewhere else, but will get all 4 done as you suggest.
Andrew Hargreaves
Tinkerer
NSW
2.5 TT

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Reg: 11-2006

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Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 09:46 pm, by:  Andrew Hargreaves (Andicap) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just replace all your rotors and pads with some good quality ones and if the problem persist look start looking at other things
Damien Smith
DieHard
NSW
Manual UZZ31

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Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 11:11 am, by:  Damien Smith (Damien) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Kelly wrote on Friday, October 27, 2006 - 06:55 pm:

Andrew: i'll probably pass on the arse vibration but thanks anyway.




Usually indicates rear disks need machining if you can feel it through the seat. Had that with mine.
Matt Worrad
TryHard
NSW/VIC
TT

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Reg: 05-2006

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Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 09:40 pm, by:  Matt Worrad (Mworrad213) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I did the DBA factory tour earlier in the year and the bloke there really enforced that if you do not bed your brake pads into the freshly machined rotors properly if will develop brake shudder very quickly.

Also torque up wheel nuts with hand torque wrench not a rattle gun or socket they are both evil and will kill your rotors.
Damien Smith
DieHard
NSW
Manual UZZ31

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Monday, January 15, 2007 - 08:09 am, by:  Damien Smith (Damien) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

RDA have a bedding in procedure on their site (
http://www.rdabrakes.com.au/discpads.htm).

"Accelerate to 60 km/h and apply brakes with moderate to firm pressure and slow to 10km/h. Then accelerate back to 60km/h and repeat the process above 7-8 times."

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