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Rainer Fritzsche
TryHard NSW vvti manual
Posts: 164 Reg: 10-2005
| .......few pics from garage. I've fitted them up to take some dimensions for new wheels and to check the fitment. - calipers are raw having been hit with the brass wire brush treatment in the power drill. - will paint shortly.
Last pics shows disc off-centre to caliper. For those who've done this upgrade, do I have to use a spacer to correct this? - As long as I can get the pads in I guess it doesn't matter so much, but I'd like to get it centred from the start.... |
Maurice Diggler
Goo Roo Victoria TR44 HF
Posts: 2017 Reg: 06-2006
| From what I have been told, there is a little lip of metal that needs to be grinded off the back side of the calliper, I assume it's to correct the problem your having. |
Ben Socratous
Goo Roo SA I am the fibreglass/kevlar/carbonfibre king!
Posts: 1796 Reg: 07-2005
| Hmmm, I may be having 2nd thoughts about my celsior caliper conversion now! Just found out that ebc don't do redstuff for them :/ What pads are you planning on running? Anyone else got any ideas on who makes some performance pads for these calipers? And by performance I don't mean the occasional spirited squirt, I mean 40 laps of 'lala with no fade issues! |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer South Australia UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 9873 Reg: 11-2004
| See if Race Brakes Australia will cut you some Ferodo's, either DS2500 or DS3000 for serious stuff. |
Neil Griffiths
Goo Roo NSW I have a Cadillac and a Supercharged Manual V8
Posts: 4766 Reg: 07-2005
| Rainer, That amount is irrelevant mate. |
Phil Gibson
Goo Roo WA '91 fsg UZZ31, '94 black/black UZZ31
Posts: 1224 Reg: 07-2005
| You can get Ferodos cut here, or get whatever brand of race pads you can imagine from japan via someone like Greenline |
Rainer Fritzsche
TryHard NSW vvti manual
Posts: 165 Reg: 10-2005
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Maurice Diggler wrote on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 11:08 pm:there is a little lip of metal that needs to be grinded off the back side of the calliper
thanks for that. I'll have to have a closer look to make sure nothing's fouling.
Ben Socratous wrote on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 06:49 am:What pads are you planning on running?
I got brand new pads with the calipers when I bought them Ben. I haven't looked into pads for trackwork yet, though I'd like to get out there fairly soon too.
Neil Griffiths wrote on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 06:21 pm:Rainer, That amount is irrelevant mate.
I thought so too Neil......well as long as I can get new pads in the tighter side of course. |
Steve Latimer
TryHard VIC UZZ32
Posts: 252 Reg: 07-2005
| Rainer,it is necessary to remove a small amount of material from the lower mounting face. Butcher method:It can be done with a grinder(Ewwwww) or Passionate Soarer Owner: Use previous method and finish with carbide bur and fine emery paper and finer sandpaper.
Good luck ps: matched with braided stainless steel brake lines and slotted/dimpled rotors you will find yourself braking much later than before (and nervously checking your rear view mirror to ensure the 'klutz' behind you has seen your brakelights. hahaha) |
Ben Socratous
Goo Roo SA I am the fibreglass/kevlar/carbonfibre king!
Posts: 1797 Reg: 07-2005
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Phil Gibson wrote on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 08:45 pm:You can get Ferodos cut here, or get whatever brand of race pads you can imagine from japan via someone like Greenline
Err, not quite. Hence why I asked the question. Greenline and Nengun don't list any performance pads for the celsior, only the supra and soarer. Looks like cut down Ferrodo pads it is then! |
Rainer Fritzsche
TryHard NSW vvti manual
Posts: 167 Reg: 10-2005
| Thanks for the pic Steve. ......i think I'll use my dremel with a cutting wheel. .....Lovely clean cut. |
Phil Gibson
Goo Roo WA '91 fsg UZZ31, '94 black/black UZZ31
Posts: 1228 Reg: 07-2005
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Ben Socratous wrote on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 06:12 pm:Err, not quite. Hence why I asked the question. Greenline and Nengun don't list any performance pads for the celsior, only the supra and soarer. Looks like cut down Ferrodo pads it is then!
Ah ok i didnt check their websites, but there are a ton of pads available (check Yahoo.jp for example) so you'd probably need to contact them about it, or just buy via a Yahoo.jp broker There are guys running DS2500s with the Celsior brakes so it shouldnt be too hard to get either a compatible off-the-shelf set or one made up |
Michael Keen
TryHard NSW 91 & 93 TT Manuals
Posts: 460 Reg: 07-2005
| Rainer, I assume you have abs? As you you may experience some brake imbalance with the mod. If no abs the rears are likely to lock up on you, unless you have abs. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer South Australia UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 9880 Reg: 11-2004
| Why? He now has more effective brakes on the front, which will also mean more weight transfer to the front, but overall that will probably balance out. |
Bobby Green
TryHard QLD TT
Posts: 149 Reg: 09-2005
| I have these brakes on the front and standard TT on the back and have never had the rears lock up on me. |
Ryan McDonough
DieHard NSW STOCK JZZ30 TT
Posts: 502 Reg: 07-2005
| Same as Bobby, just completed this mod a few weeks ago and have never had the rear lock up. |
Ben Socratous
Goo Roo SA I am the fibreglass/kevlar/carbonfibre king!
Posts: 1801 Reg: 07-2005
| Not to mention the fact that even the 4 pot front celsior still only has 1 pot rear calipers. |
David Samuel
Newbie nsw v8
Posts: 1 Reg: 07-2008
| hi guys...i have just fitted 4 pots off a ucf20 same mods , but had to take 2mm off the length of the 17mm caliper mounting bolts. same question as the others .what pads ? the ones that cam with the parts have a significant amount of the trailing edge of the pad removed..any coment on this ???? what off the shelf pad can i put in it...just gen alround use . thanks guys..ps i am new here so indulge me !!! david |
Steve Latimer
TryHard VIC UZZ32
Posts: 254 Reg: 07-2005
| David, off the shelf Toyota #004465-50070 suit LS400 Standard pads....Worked well at Sandown track recently from 180km/h little or no dust, well behaved around town(not always driving that fast) Rainer.... I have some brake performance tests(before/after) which I'll post up as soon as I work out how to reduce their size
Steve Latimer wrote on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 11:32 pm:ps: matched with braided stainless steel brake lines and slotted/dimpled rotors you will find yourself braking much later than before (and nervously checking your rear view mirror to ensure the 'klutz' behind you has seen your brakelights. hahaha)
more specifically 'cos UZZ32's don't dip in the front when ya hafta brake hard.... |
Evan Kaio
TryHard The Hutt '91 UZZ31
Posts: 207 Reg: 01-2007
| Are there any issues with using the V8 brake master cylinder with 4 pot Celsior calipers? |
Matt Petersen
TryHard NA V8
Posts: 186 Reg: 01-2008
| I am running the V8 master with Supra 4 pots with no issues. I don't think there is much difference in size between the various Toyota master cylinders. Matt. |
Evan Kaio
TryHard The Hutt '91 UZZ31
Posts: 208 Reg: 01-2007
| Thanks Matt, I suppose I could have checked the parts manual. Oh well, 4 pot celsiors going on in two weeks time. Got Supra 4 pots priced, with OEM pads and rotors, $810NZ incl GST. Thats not bad at all. EK |
Ryan McDonough
DieHard NSW STOCK JZZ30 TT
Posts: 503 Reg: 07-2005
| The only difference I noticed is that I have to push the pedal just a little harder when threshold braking. |
Matt Petersen
TryHard NA V8
Posts: 187 Reg: 01-2008
| That's a pretty good price Evan for a fully brand new bolt on setup. The brakes make a massive difference. A lot of the Supra gear is worth getting, I have the Torsen 4.11 LSD as well as a set of TT bars waiting to be installed. Really transforms the car. Matt. |
Evan Kaio
TryHard The Hutt '91 UZZ31
Posts: 210 Reg: 01-2007
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Ryan McDonough wrote on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 06:06 pm: The only difference I noticed is that I have to push the pedal just a little harder when threshold braking.
Yep. I thought the braking might be a little spongy. |
Stephen Lee
Tinkerer NSW V8
Posts: 59 Reg: 06-2008
| what ever ya do. don't use lucas stuff.. so much bloody dusts comes off from them...bah... and they squeal.. Stephen... |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer South Australia UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 9954 Reg: 11-2004
| My Lucas pads don't squeal. Yes, they are a bit dusty, though it comes off really easily, but they are excellent value brake pads, more so for heavy driving. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo North Island JZZ31
Posts: 3767 Reg: 10-2005
| Great thing about 5 spoke wheels is they are very easy to clean. |
Don Bagnall
Moderator New Zealand Mercedes Benz SLK230 Kompressor
Posts: 7039 Reg: 05-2005
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Matthew Sharpe wrote on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 05:53 am:Great thing about 5 spoke wheels is they are very easy to clean.
True that! The Merc has the dustiest front pads I've ever had the misfortune to use, even after a week of light braking the front wheels look like a friggin coal mine has taken a dump on em!. Note to self; Paddle into Bn'T and see what alternatives there are. Something similar to the std Toyota compound would do nicely me thinks. |
Evan Kaio
TryHard The Hutt '91 UZZ31
Posts: 226 Reg: 01-2007
| I did my Celsior brake upgrade on the weekend. Got 1 question about the brake lines, I've used my existing braided brake lines and with the wheels at full lock the lines look quite taut. Are the length of the Celsior brake lines longer than the V8 and the TT? (having to allow for pad wear on the Celsior). |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo North Island JZZ31
Posts: 3771 Reg: 10-2005
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Don Bagnall wrote on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 03:25 pm:Note to self; Paddle into Bn'T and see what alternatives there are. Something similar to the std Toyota compound would do nicely me thinks.
Hmm, maybe Merc OEM pads are the way to go? I wouldn't imagine the Germans being the fussy buggers they are would put up with a sooty compound. |