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Rainer Fritzsche
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Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 08:33 pm, by:  Rainer Fritzsche (Ryner) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

.......few pics from garage. I've fitted them up to take some dimensions for new wheels and to check the fitment. - calipers are raw having been hit with the brass wire brush treatment in the power drill. - will paint shortly.


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Last pics shows disc off-centre to caliper. For those who've done this upgrade, do I have to use a spacer to correct this? - As long as I can get the pads in I guess it doesn't matter so much, but I'd like to get it centred from the start....
Maurice Diggler
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Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 11:08 pm, by:  Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From what I have been told, there is a little lip of metal that needs to be grinded off the back side of the calliper, I assume it's to correct the problem your having.
Ben Socratous
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Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 06:49 am, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmmm, I may be having 2nd thoughts about my celsior caliper conversion now! Just found out that ebc don't do redstuff for them :/

What pads are you planning on running? Anyone else got any ideas on who makes some performance pads for these calipers? And by performance I don't mean the occasional spirited squirt, I mean 40 laps of 'lala with no fade issues!
Peter Nitschke
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Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 07:36 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

See if Race Brakes Australia will cut you some Ferodo's, either DS2500 or DS3000 for serious stuff.
Neil Griffiths
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Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 06:21 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rainer,
That amount is irrelevant mate.
Phil Gibson
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Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 08:45 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You can get Ferodos cut here, or get whatever brand of race pads you can imagine from japan via someone like Greenline
Rainer Fritzsche
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Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 10:05 pm, by:  Rainer Fritzsche (Ryner) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Maurice Diggler wrote on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 11:08 pm:

there is a little lip of metal that needs to be grinded off the back side of the calliper




thanks for that. I'll have to have a closer look to make sure nothing's fouling.


Ben Socratous wrote on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 06:49 am:

What pads are you planning on running?




I got brand new pads with the calipers when I bought them Ben. I haven't looked into pads for trackwork yet, though I'd like to get out there fairly soon too.


Neil Griffiths wrote on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 06:21 pm:

Rainer,
That amount is irrelevant mate.




I thought so too Neil......well as long as I can get new pads in the tighter side of course.
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Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 11:32 pm, by:  Steve Latimer (Latsus) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rainer,it is necessary to remove a small amount of material from the lower mounting face.
Butcher method:It can be done with a grinder(Ewwwww) or
Passionate Soarer Owner: Use previous method and finish with carbide bur and fine emery paper and finer sandpaper.

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Good luck

ps: matched with braided stainless steel brake lines and slotted/dimpled rotors you will find yourself braking much later than before (and nervously checking your rear view mirror to ensure the 'klutz' behind you has seen your brakelights. hahaha)
Ben Socratous
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Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 06:12 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Phil Gibson wrote on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 08:45 pm:

You can get Ferodos cut here, or get whatever brand of race pads you can imagine from japan via someone like Greenline



Err, not quite. Hence why I asked the question. Greenline and Nengun don't list any performance pads for the celsior, only the supra and soarer. Looks like cut down Ferrodo pads it is then!
Rainer Fritzsche
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Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 08:51 pm, by:  Rainer Fritzsche (Ryner) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the pic Steve.
......i think I'll use my dremel with a cutting wheel. .....Lovely clean cut.
Phil Gibson
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Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 11:42 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Socratous wrote on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 06:12 pm:

Err, not quite. Hence why I asked the question. Greenline and Nengun don't list any performance pads for the celsior, only the supra and soarer. Looks like cut down Ferrodo pads it is then!




Ah ok i didnt check their websites, but there are a ton of pads available (check Yahoo.jp for example) so you'd probably need to contact them about it, or just buy via a Yahoo.jp broker

There are guys running DS2500s with the Celsior brakes so it shouldnt be too hard to get either a compatible off-the-shelf set or one made up :-)
Michael Keen
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Friday, August 29, 2008 - 11:02 am, by:  Michael Keen (Jzz30man) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rainer, I assume you have abs? As you you may experience some brake imbalance with the mod. If no abs the rears are likely to lock up on you, unless you have abs.
Peter Nitschke
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Friday, August 29, 2008 - 12:39 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why? He now has more effective brakes on the front, which will also mean more weight transfer to the front, but overall that will probably balance out.
Bobby Green
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Friday, August 29, 2008 - 03:41 pm, by:  Bobby Green (Nash) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have these brakes on the front and standard TT on the back and have never had the rears lock up on me.
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Saturday, August 30, 2008 - 04:47 pm, by:  Ryan McDonough (Ryan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Same as Bobby, just completed this mod a few weeks ago and have never had the rear lock up.
Ben Socratous
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Saturday, August 30, 2008 - 07:38 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not to mention the fact that even the 4 pot front celsior still only has 1 pot rear calipers.
David Samuel
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Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 03:02 pm, by:  David Samuel (Thenavigator) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi guys...i have just fitted 4 pots off a ucf20 same mods , but had to take 2mm off the length of the 17mm caliper mounting bolts.
same question as the others .what pads ? the ones that cam with the parts have a significant amount of the trailing edge of the pad removed..any coment on this ????
what off the shelf pad can i put in it...just gen alround use . thanks guys..ps i am new here so indulge me !!! david
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Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 05:40 pm, by:  Steve Latimer (Latsus) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David, off the shelf Toyota #004465-50070 suit LS400 Standard pads....Worked well at Sandown track recently from 180km/h little or no dust, well behaved around town(not always driving that fast)

Rainer.... I have some brake performance tests(before/after) which I'll post up as soon as I work out how to reduce their size


Steve Latimer wrote on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 11:32 pm:

ps: matched with braided stainless steel brake lines and slotted/dimpled rotors you will find yourself braking much later than before (and nervously checking your rear view mirror to ensure the 'klutz' behind you has seen your brakelights. hahaha)


more specifically 'cos UZZ32's don't dip in the front when ya hafta brake hard....
Evan Kaio
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Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 04:28 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are there any issues with using the V8 brake master cylinder with 4 pot Celsior calipers?
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Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 04:51 pm, by:  Matt Petersen (Mattmannz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am running the V8 master with Supra 4 pots with no issues.

I don't think there is much difference in size between the various Toyota master cylinders.

Matt.
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Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 06:04 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Matt, I suppose I could have checked the parts manual. Oh well, 4 pot celsiors going on in two weeks time.
Got Supra 4 pots priced, with OEM pads and rotors, $810NZ incl GST. Thats not bad at all.
EK
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Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 06:06 pm, by:  Ryan McDonough (Ryan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The only difference I noticed is that I have to push the pedal just a little harder when threshold braking.
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Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 06:18 pm, by:  Matt Petersen (Mattmannz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's a pretty good price Evan for a fully brand new bolt on setup.

The brakes make a massive difference. A lot of the Supra gear is worth getting, I have the Torsen 4.11 LSD as well as a set of TT bars waiting to be installed. Really transforms the car.

Matt.
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Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 07:54 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ryan McDonough wrote on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 06:06 pm:


The only difference I noticed is that I have to push the pedal just a little harder when threshold braking.



Yep. I thought the braking might be a little spongy.
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Monday, September 15, 2008 - 06:25 pm, by:  Stephen Lee (Ara_ara_ara) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

what ever ya do.
don't use lucas stuff..
so much bloody dusts comes off from them...bah...
and they squeal..


Stephen...
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Monday, September 15, 2008 - 06:32 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My Lucas pads don't squeal. Yes, they are a bit dusty, though it comes off really easily, but they are excellent value brake pads, more so for heavy driving.
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 05:53 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Great thing about 5 spoke wheels is they are very easy to clean.
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 03:25 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matthew Sharpe wrote on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 05:53 am:

Great thing about 5 spoke wheels is they are very easy to clean.



True that!
The Merc has the dustiest front pads I've ever had the misfortune to use, even after a week of light braking the front wheels look like a friggin coal mine has taken a dump on em!.

Note to self; Paddle into Bn'T and see what alternatives there are. Something similar to the std Toyota compound would do nicely me thinks.
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 06:36 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I did my Celsior brake upgrade on the weekend.
Got 1 question about the brake lines, I've used my existing braided brake lines and with the wheels at full lock the lines look quite taut. Are the length of the Celsior brake lines longer than the V8 and the TT? (having to allow for pad wear on the Celsior).
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 06:21 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Don Bagnall wrote on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 03:25 pm:

Note to self; Paddle into Bn'T and see what alternatives there are. Something similar to the std Toyota compound would do nicely me thinks.




Hmm, maybe Merc OEM pads are the way to go? I wouldn't imagine the Germans being the fussy buggers they are would put up with a sooty compound.

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