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Shane Haverkamp
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soarer TT

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Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 07:07 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi everyone I'm willing to offer this service of re-gassing our nitrogen accumulators of our brake systems for $150. for $150 you will get:

  • your leaking accumulator taken apart and cleaned.
  • new nitrile o-rings installed.
  • 2000psi nitrile schrader valve installed.
  • accumulator filled with 1000psi of nitrogen.
  • accumulator posted back to you.


i have already done this to my own car as per this thread:
http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/285/364933.html?1345791857

and followed this guide on the planet soarer forums: http://www.soarerworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29557 and worked on it from there.


you will need to post your accumulator to me, but will cover the cost of posting it back to you. can express post at an extra cost

warranty wise i will cover cost's of shipping the item back for another overhaul if you can prove it was caused by workman ship. i will not take responsibility for damage caused during installation/dis assembly (though there's bugger all to damage) but you have to remember that this isn't a fancy business, just a guy doing this off his own back at work to try and help out the soarer community that's given me tons of information and things in the past.

it should only take me a maximum of 2 WORKING days to over haul the accumulator upon receiving it.

some symptoms your accumulator may need to be re gassed include
an odd sounding "chirp" down the steering wheel
brake error codes coming up when pressing the pedal going away upon depress
spongy brake pedal feel (i noticed mine firmed up quite a bit upon doing it)

So send me a pm as email will be the easiest way at the moment to organise things if you wish to take me up on this.

thanks heaps

shane


i might in the next day or two do a write up on how to get your accumulator out, but basically the accumulator is located on the drivers side next to the fluid resivor


under neath the black and yellow rubber cover.

the easiest way to remove it is to:
  • leave the car off
  • pump the pedal about 40 times hard (this is crucial to relieve pressure)
  • now need to unscrew the accumulator.
  • select your weapon of choice, i've read a couple of ways of people doing this, either with a pipe wrench/stilsons, oil filter removers, strap wrenches. i made my own tool which works ok but not great
  • once you've got it moving (may take a bit of effort) unscrew the accumulator and place it in a vice or similar
  • with a flat head screw driver, undo the screw ontop SLOWLY!!! just until you start to hear the nitrogen coming out. just leave it until it's empty. please don't get impatient and undo it quickly you'll probably end up with a screw getting launched with the power of a 1000psi into you eye or something, just let it come out slowly)
  • and your done
Boris Siljanoski
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Western Australia
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Monday, September 17, 2012 - 03:37 am, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do you offer this Service for Celsior too?

How many years warranty do you give?
Shane Haverkamp
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soarer TT

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Monday, September 17, 2012 - 06:37 am, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Boris I'd need to see the ceilsor one, even a photo or two and might take a little bit longer in case the o-rings and things are different but there's no real reason it can't be done I suppose

Warranty wise it's a 5/5 warranty once you get 5 minutes or 5 meters away the warrantys over, hmmm honestly I think if it hasn't failed in 6 months your going toget a decent amount of life out of it and with the valve installed you can always source a top up of nitrogen from somewhere closer
John Stafford
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Soarer UZZ31 GT-L V8 and a UZZ32 # 514

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Sunday, October 07, 2012 - 08:45 am, by:  John Stafford (Johng12) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Shane,
I started the car this morning for the first time after fitting the rebuilt accumulator and the electric pump pumped up the brakes very quickly and did not pump again according to my hearing. Obviously I had very little nitrogen in the accumulator before.
I took the car for a run, only a bit over a kilometer round the block, did some power stops and held the brake on in the stationary position and no pumping. Seems great. Will let you know if I have any troubles but doubt that.
thanks for a good job.
Cheers John
Aiden Cheese
Goo Roo
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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 07:33 pm, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey mate, I've been trying to get my accumulator off but it's stuck. I bent two oil filter removal tools (one ring type one clamp type) trying to get it to turn, what's going on?

I'm just going counter-clockwise.. is this wrong?
Shane Haverkamp
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nsw
soarer TT

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 08:16 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pm sent aiden

Still trying a couple of different "cheap" tools not much point in having to pay $50 for a tool to get it off.'
Dave Rose
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wa
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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 08:24 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Aiden, its anti clock wise to undo them , they are tight, you need to make a tool for them , i will put a photo up of the tool later.
Did not think you would have any problem after you were rebuild p/s pumps so quick etc,
John Stafford
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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 10:52 pm, by:  John Stafford (Johng12) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a pair of duck bill stillsens that are just about the best thing since sliced bread. Here is a picture if you want to invest in a set, they work for the hardest joints, nuts or bolts or cylinders from 3 ml to nearly 100 mls with equal ease.

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I carefully ground mine thinner than standard to get hold of the hydraulic ram on my 32's struts. They worked a piece of cake on my brake accumulator.
Well worth the investment if you are serious about doing any mechanical work with the least amount of tools.
You can use them in so many places. I have removed stuck brake line nuts that no one else could move; easily rotated really tight tie rod ends and other shafts that you can't otherwise hold; odd sized bolts and nuts or nuts that are too butchered to hold; allen key bolts that you can't move; you can use it to bend steel with while you hold it in a vise etc, etc.

I think I paid about $25 over 30 years ago. Does anyone know where someone can buy such a thing nowadays. I couldn't find them on the web?
Cheers John
Shane Haverkamp
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soarer TT

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 06:46 am, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do they have a brand name on them John? Or are they proper stilson's?

I assume Toyota have a sst (special service tool) for doing this, anyone want to call Toyota and find a price?
John Stafford
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Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 08:00 am, by:  John Stafford (Johng12) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

These are made by Dowidat (German company) but they seem to be no more.
There are a number of manufacturers of what I have found are called Swedish pattern pipe wrenches but the ones I looked at on the net seemed to sell to resellers. you can search this out further. I found one place (Gedore who seemed to take over Dowidat) that wanted about $400 for one.
Happy hunting. Looks like I have a rare find worth its weight in gold.
Cheers John
Tom Richards
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Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 08:29 am, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

an oil filter tool that has "3 fingers" that fit over the cylinder and tighten as you turn it will get the cylinder off.
Dave Hart
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Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 10:33 am, by:  Dave Hart (Davyboy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hope you've released all the stored energy in the accumulator by pumping the brake pedal 30 times.
Shane Haverkamp
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Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 12:04 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As Dave says REMOVING THE PRESSURE SHOULD BE THE FIRST THING YOU DO EVERY TIME YOU TRY AND REMOVE THE ACCUMULATOR

If I get some spare time I could probably knock up a few of the tools as they're not really that hard to make.
Dave Rose
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Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 03:31 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK this has removed over 20 accumulators
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Just a std grinding wheel spanner.

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with a tube ex

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never slips , one stud in the groove the other against the bolt.
Shane Haverkamp
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Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 04:23 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

cheers dave, such a simple solution as well and cheap to get.
Aiden Cheese
Goo Roo
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Soarer jzz30

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Friday, October 12, 2012 - 12:58 pm, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh my god thank you. Ill be purchasing one of these today.

EDIT: Wait; i'm not sure your accumulator looks the same, physically dimensions are similar, but that "groove" is different, mine isn't two notches it's two flat bits. The car isn't where I am so i'll grab the tool (it looks like one you use to release the grinding wheels off a angle grinder?)

Dave Rose
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Friday, October 12, 2012 - 01:10 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No worries Aiden

Just make sure the studs are the right distance apart /ie groove to middle of bolt.
And do not forget..... pump brake till it feels dead before you try to undo
Dave Rose
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Friday, October 12, 2012 - 01:13 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And it fits the" flat bits" ones also
Aiden Cheese
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Friday, October 12, 2012 - 01:59 pm, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yup i've pumped it over 120 times, 40 pumps per tool i've broken so far :-)

I'll give it another 40 out of paranoia before trying this one too :-)

Is that for a 125mm cutting wheel removal tool or a 100mm?

Edit: After getting the 100mm i think i was wrong :-) but it's okay i have a better idea of what i'm doing now. I also found a cool image here:



This tool has holes drilled and bolts in it to mate with the notches on the thingy.
Dave Hart
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Saturday, October 13, 2012 - 07:18 am, by:  Dave Hart (Davyboy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I used a mole grip with chain attached, but its a case of having the room to turn it. We had one at work so didn't need to buy one.
Anthony Matthews
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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 - 12:07 am, by:  Anthony Matthews (Gajet) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

M***** F****** Accumulator!

Tried everything - all the tools above and everything kept slipping on the shiny surface of the cylinder. Got the strongest person I know - Still slipped.

Then, I decided to put the rubber cover back on it and try that and HEY PRESTO it's off! The rubber provided a grippable surface and with a pry bar and one of these

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...and it's OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John Stafford
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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 - 08:11 am, by:  John Stafford (Johng12) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What a cool discovery, who would have ever thought it was designed that way :-)
Peter Smith
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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 06:57 pm, by:  Peter Smith (Smithie123) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Shane Haverkamp wrote on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 07:07 pm:



Hi do you know where I can Get my accumulator recoed?Iam in Sydney
Thanks.
Shane Haverkamp
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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 08:44 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

peter this whole thread is about me offering to reco accumulators.

send me a pm
Anthony Matthews
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Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 01:04 am, by:  Anthony Matthews (Gajet) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've only had the recon'd accumulator back in for a day, but I can vouch for Shane's service. Very friendly and helpful. Very quick turnaround and IMHO a very reasonable price.

Thanks Shane!
Peter Nitschke
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Monday, November 05, 2012 - 10:24 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am thinking that "Peter Smith" is a ring-in.
Peter Smith
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Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 11:27 pm, by:  Peter Smith (Smithie123) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not sure what that means "ring in"but I am new to this.How do I get Shane Haverkamps number or details so I can post my Accumulator to him?
Shane Haverkamp
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Monday, November 19, 2012 - 06:16 am, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tried to edit my post but can't

I'm having to put this service on hold for 3 months as I've swapped sections at work and don't have access to the equipment

I'll update my status again when I'm able to do more
Geoff Watts
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Sunday, March 03, 2013 - 04:00 pm, by:  Geoff Watts (Dieselndust) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks very much Shane, the accumulator works perfectly.
Gareth Richards
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Saturday, April 06, 2013 - 02:14 am, by:  Gareth Richards (Garethr) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My SST for future reference. :-)

80mm oil filter cup wrench and two 6mm nuts and bolts about 68mm apart (and a little fettling with a half-round needle file :-)).

Needs a nut or a deep socket welded on to clear the valve fitted to the re-gassed accumulator.


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