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Mustafa Akgul
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:41 am, by:  Mustafa Akgul Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tightening Wheel Nuts

Start all nuts by hand to prevent cross threading.
Tighten nuts in an alternating/opposing sequence.
The tightening of the fasteners should be done in stages. Following the recommended sequence, Wheel nuts should be torqued before first road use and after each wheel removal. Check and re-torque after the first 10 miles, 25 miles, and again at 50 miles. Check periodically thereafter.
Peter Nitschke
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:44 am, by:  Peter Nitschke Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good post. I don't use my foot when tightening up wheel nuts, because I want to undo them again. Good that you pointed out another reason why. I remember my oldies had a couple of studs break last time they had new tyres fitted - over tightened by the previous guy that had done them up.

[Edit] - I was referring to the post "here is some info" though the next post looks equally valid. Not sure I can be bothered checking them over and over, but I can see the sense in it.
Mustafa Akgul
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:47 am, by:  Mustafa Akgul Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

its very important to ask your tyre dealer to torque the wheel nuts.i worked in a tyre shop and theye use too much pressure to tighten the nuts resulting in stretched studs or impossible to take off nuts.

also make sure you have the hub rings/spacers when you fit aftermarket wheels.very important.
Emanuel Spinola
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:49 am, by:  Emanuel Spinola Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What's the torque setting for OEM wheels nuts?
Mustafa Akgul
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:55 am, by:  Mustafa Akgul Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Emanuel, according to
www.intelectual.net

Factory torque settings

Differential drain plug : 36 ft-lb.
Differential fill plug : 36 ft-lb.
Transmission pan : 65 in-lb.
Transmission drain plug : 15 ft-lb.
Oil drain plug : 28 ft-lb.
Oil pan : 80 in-lb.

- (info provided by SRQ400)

Wheel lugs : 76 ft-lb.

Emanuel Spinola
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 01:09 am, by:  Emanuel Spinola Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep, matches the Supra specs as well - 103 Nm for the metrically inclined.

Now apart from carrying an expensive torque wrench around and risking losing it's accurancy/calibration from knocks etc, has anyone found a single setting torque wrench or similar device that will help keep a standard torque setting on wheel nuts and is sturdy for repeat/rough use?
Mustafa Akgul
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 01:27 am, by:  Mustafa Akgul Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

maybe those older style tafe type wrnech`s would be ideal to keep handy?
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Mustafa Akgul
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 01:31 am, by:  Mustafa Akgul Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Gary Morriss
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 05:28 am, by:  Gary Morriss Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pen - Muzzy - manny - There are no excuses for what happened, (1) i think i have overtightened them (2) no spigot rings.

so as the old Led Zeppelin song goes "nobody's fault but mine"

I have now received my spigot rings for my 18"s
and now i will make sure that the nut's are tightened to correct torque, when i use them again(24/25 Sept Phillip Island)

I hope this is a lesson learned for others
Emanuel Spinola
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 10:48 am, by:  Emanuel Spinola Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mus
I'm thinking more along the lines of a fixed torque value rather than an adjustable unit for reliability and repeatability.
Something like the colour coded extension torque tubes or even fixed like these
http://www.norbar.com/products_description.php&category_multid=1&range_multid=10&id=1250

Gazza
Unfortunately it was a tough lesson to learn but ultimately you came out of it pretty well all things considered - imagine if it had happened at high speed when you were really giving it a shove around a high speed corner with other cars close to you!
Mustafa Akgul
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 11:31 am, by:  Mustafa Akgul Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Manny that seems ok..so long as its affordable otherwise a supercheap type of wrench could also do the job.?

Gaza
come to think of it again especially reading Manny`s last post damn you were lucky mate.just glad it didnt end up like that.
its a TIMELY warning for all members to make it a priority to check for the hub rings and correct torque of the wheel nuts.

allthough i do have the hub rings i never used to torque down the wheel nuts..

now i want to make sure the shock absorber bolts and brake caliper bolts are properly toqued! as i have pulled these parts off plenty of times.

just gotto find out the specifications for these items.


Andrew Ferres
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 11:58 am, by:  Andrew Ferres Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Muzzy, you say you worked at a tyre shop. Do they get pissed off when you ask for the nuts to be done up with a torque wrench?

Do they usually say 'Sure thing Pal' and then do them up with the rattle gun?

Or do they usually do the right thing?
Damien Smith
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:05 pm, by:  Damien Smith Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Manny, do you have a T&E Tools catalogue from Colin? I'm sure there's some things in there which are like a tapered socket extension which twist once they reach their torque limit - there's a selection of different ones for different torques especially for wheel nuts... I was bored one night and flicked through both catalogues from beginning to end...
Mustafa Akgul
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:32 pm, by:  Mustafa Akgul Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Andrew theye should do it allthough most dont like it ..but tuff luck for them if theye dont go somewere else..
Emanuel Spinola
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:33 pm, by:  Emanuel Spinola Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Damien
Yes I have seen then in Colin's catalogue but they were for rattle gun applications. I've since learnt from speaking with someone rather knowledgeable in the area that they aren't very accurate in actual use either....bugger!

Mus
My issue with the Supercheap type wrenches is that they are adjustable and are not very robust in locking a set torque setting - if you end up over or under tightening with a torque wrench as a result of miscalibration from the lockring slipping or it being dropped, you're back to using a breaker bar/tyre iron and guessing again.
David Vaughan
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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:53 pm, by:  David Vaughan Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When the current wheels were fitted to the is300 I asked for 103Nm torque, that being the spec for the car. They replied "Nah we do them to 120 on all cars." I took the car straight around the corner to Lexus and asked them to slacken them off and re-torque them on the spot, which they did. They are still tight. Bob Jane claim they did the Soarer ones as requested but I have never checked them, not having the means.

So I think your second line is probably right Andrew.

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