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Brent Matthews
Tinkerer
Greenlane
SC400

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Monday, March 30, 2009 - 01:48 pm, by:  Brent Matthews (Stix) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello,

Wanting to know peoples opinions on the easiest power gains.

Extrators - exhaust - manual conversion - intake - throttle bodie - aftermarket ecu - cams

What will give you a good KW gain for best value for money.

For me the above will all happen just over time so which should I do first?

Time frame if your interested is to be all done by this time next year with a full respray and vortex kit (maybe).

All opinions will be appreciated except the buy a turbo 1jz you get a better output - I dont want a 6 or 4 cyl. :-)

Cheers
Brent
Drew Rechner
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South Australia
JZZ30 TT

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Monday, March 30, 2009 - 01:52 pm, by:  Drew Rechner (Drew1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Brent Matthews wrote on Monday, March 30, 2009 - 01:48 pm:

Extrators - exhaust - manual conversion - intake - throttle bodie - aftermarket ecu - cams




See this thread, been covered a couple times cheers
http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/126/25934.html
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Monday, March 30, 2009 - 06:31 pm, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Start with the basics, compression test to see if its worth spending money on, then new plugs, coil packs, ignition leads etc will all need replacing if they havent been done already. Then BFI with new OEM filter, then start thinking about spending some money. Catback exhaust is probably the easiest place to start, then extractors. After that you start to get into the serious money.
Mike Dobkin
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Essex
Soarer TT

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 08:20 pm, by:  Mike Dobkin (Razman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Surely the biggest and easiest power gain is by installing a boost controller. 14psi on standard turbos give a huge increase for very little cost. Adding a BFI (almost no cost) and a decent exhaust will certainly help too. After that possibly an aftermarket ecu, hybrid turbos @ 20psi, then cams... by then you will be in the region of 450bhp. How much more do you need for a road car? :-)
Mike Dobkin
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Soarer TT

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 08:21 pm, by:  Mike Dobkin (Razman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ignore everything I just said - I thought it was a TT Doh!:-)
Steven Anderson
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NSW
UZZ31 Manual

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 09:12 pm, by:  Steven Anderson (Cusscuss) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also consider than all the power in the world is useless if you cannot get it to the ground.

Torsen LSD is a must do, changes the car completely.

Manual conversion is expensive, cams are useless, throttle bodies are not as good power/$ wise compared to supercharging.


Look at it this way.

Minor mods - Intake, exhaust, ECU, LSD, Shift kit.
If you want to do any track work you will need better seats too.

Then you move onto the majors, either N/A work, ITB's, porting etc or supercharging, manual conversion.
Ali Saeed
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WA
Soarer V8 LTD

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 09:18 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

how much are we looking at for lsd anyway?
Ali Saeed
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 09:19 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

wonder if my car has one..how do i find out :S
Scott Wilkes
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Tasmania
92 TT Factory Manual

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 10:08 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if it hasnt been modified by previous owner its highly doubtfull it dosnt have a LSD. As basically only Manual TTs came with the LSD.

Dont know if the V8s had the option of LSD?
Daniel Clarke
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NSW
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 10:55 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Extractors exhaust and supercharge it... ANything else is a waste of money vs return/hp :-)
Matthew Sharpe
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JZZ31

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Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 09:21 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And of course, uprate the brakes.
James Johnson
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Auckland
UZZ31 Soarer

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Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 11:16 am, by:  James Johnson (Jimbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Brent,
Greenlane, is that as in Auckland NZ or Australia? I have a uzz31 that was stock when I brought it. Since then I have put a cat-back exhaust on and dropped a torsen LSD in. Those mod's alone have improved the performance alot. I would like to do a BFI and put some extractors in (hopefully buy the parts in Aus when I go over there in 2 months time). The LSD did cost me $800 but that was because my open diff spat the dummy and I bit the bullet and forked over the cash instead of putting in another open diff. The exhaust cost me nothing because it was a xmas present but it is valued at around $400-$600 because it is a custom job. What you have to also take into account is the "wow factor" for the price. Over all I would say that every cent was worth it in both power gains and the "wow factor". When the novelty of each upgrade wears off, I can then afford another upgrade and I only earn $30k a year with other expenses. If you are in NZ I would be keen to catch up and have a chin wag if you are.
Evan Kaio
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The Hutt
'91 UZZ31

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Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 07:13 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


James Johnson wrote on Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 11:16 am:

The LSD did cost me $800



James,now I feel better about paying 8 hundy for my torsen LSD.
Matt Petersen
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NA
V8

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Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 07:37 pm, by:  Matt Petersen (Mattmannz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have done a BFI, complete dual 2.25 catless exhaust, Supra TT sways, Supra 4 pot brakes and Supra Torsen 4.08 LSD. They all made a noticable difference.

I got lucky and got my diff for $650 shipped over a year ago and got a pretty good price on the 4 pot brakes and the bars.

I have most parts now for a remote shift R154 manual conversion and an M90 supercharger setup. These two mods are not cheap at all.

I think you should do bushes, engine and gearbox mounts, and springs and shocks before progressing any further. Get all the basics right so you enjoy the car and it runs properly.

After that look at your budget and see what you can do. $800 for diff, $1000 for exhaust, $1000 for fitted headers, $850 for front brakes. Around $1500 or so for a reprogrammed ECU like a Mines or Harry Lemmen setup.

Matt.
Brent Matthews
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Greenlane
SC400

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Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 08:18 am, by:  Brent Matthews (Stix) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow guys thanks for the feed back.

James Johnson - yeah man Greenlane Auckland New Zealand :-) keen as to have a chin wag.

Budget is modest most mods wont happen until end of the year but I got a mate with a R154, diff and pedal box sitting there for me.

Was thinking about that first - also he has supra brakes around somewhere.

I have just order new front air suspension for my car - Dont hit me or swear. It was only $450 a corner for new stuff and at the moment Bilstien adjustables were about 5k fitted :-).

Supercharging --- I might look at TT in far far distant future :-)

As for the ECU I am real keen to have a look at this option but was worried about the Aircon control speedo and stero as I heard they are all linked in some way in the UZZ31.

Thanks again for all suggestions :-)
Matt Petersen
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NA
V8

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Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 08:58 am, by:  Matt Petersen (Mattmannz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Mines and Harry Lemmens ECU's are modded factory ECU's so no worries about cruise or anything else not working.

They were trying to RIP you on the Bilstein adjustables!

Matt.
Joe Russell
TryHard
Marlborough
4.0 V8 GT-L(UZZ31)

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Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 09:27 am, by:  Joe Russell (Joe_r) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I found the little things made a crazy difference to mine Brent, tighten throttle cable and line pressure cable(faster, clunkier shifts), BFI, rear mufflers replaced with straight pipe, ecu reset.
I've recently done a $0.50 mod to the AFM which I hope will result in a little better timing.

As for your aircon etc, they are linked to a point, yet all run independently. I have no emv and my aircon is great, I just have very little control over where it goes, so need an aircon unit.

Experiment!
After I move up to Ohakea it will be good to meet you, could organise a meet with everyone perhaps.
Brent Matthews
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Greenlane
SC400

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Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 10:19 am, by:  Brent Matthews (Stix) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah I thought the Bilstein's were abit extreme - that was with removing all the compressors to shed whatever weight they might have as well.

Nice I might look into the ECU's - as of options for places that might do them for the soarer if you could let me know that would be great.

By the sounds of it Diff, ECU, exhaust and instake should be a good place to start.

Loving the 8 sounds the money just want it faster than the older bros Holden - he is pushing 240kw at the wheels though.

I would be keen for a soarer meet.
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 10:48 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hard ask for a 4 litre V8 to beat a 5.7 litre, even if it is a primitive pushrod holden sh*tlump.
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
Soarer Limited UZZ31 V8

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Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 06:17 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matthew Sharpe wrote on Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 10:48 am:

even if it is a primitive pushrod holden sh*tlump.




Hilarious....

BTW Matt, did you get my email about the Canon HV30 camera?
David Vaughan
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NSW
V8 Ltd manual

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Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 07:44 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Scott, LSD was a factory option for the V8s. The option box was less often ticked by those buyers but it exists. I have one, for example, and know of many others who do. It is recorded on the build plate.

Brent, manual conversion does nothing for power, only for how the car feels and drives (plus the advantage of an extra gear). On a value for money basis, do BFI, exhaust, piggyback or replacement ECU, extractors, supercharger in that order then spend any other money you like on other features.
Matt Petersen
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NA
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Friday, April 03, 2009 - 08:47 am, by:  Matt Petersen (Mattmannz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A manual conversion does realise some power gains, the power loss figures for auto's over manuals are higher.

Matt.
David Vaughan
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Sunday, April 05, 2009 - 05:21 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No, it seems not.

I think the record is on the PlanetSoarer site of tests before and after installation of manual transmission, with no power gain. A manual will go faster in gears because it has five gears rather than four and even it top the gross drive ratio is lower (more RPM per Km). It also feels faster owing to faster response from the steel connection rather than slush connection.
Matthew Sharpe
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JZZ31

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Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 06:43 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Indeed, its possible that an auto could realise greater rear wheel torque than an automatic.
Blake Gloyn
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soarer JZZ30 TT

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Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 06:47 am, by:  Blake Gloyn (Blakenz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

try that sentence again Matthew.
Matthew Sharpe
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JZZ31

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Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 01:50 pm, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hah, thats what happens when people keep interrupting you!

Should read...

"...greater rear wheel torque than a manual."

Though thinking about it, peak torque would be no different, the auto would possibly be more efficient than the manual off peak.
Brent Matthews
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Greenlane
SC400

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Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 07:10 am, by:  Brent Matthews (Stix) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have heard people talking about the manual conversion and the extra power gained.

Its obvisouly not @ the engine KW its all @ the wheels which is what counts. Some were suggesting 10 RWKW which is huge and the driving experience is way better.

Not to mention burnouts and if you at a supercharger how FUN!
James Johnson
Tinkerer
Auckland
UZZ31 Soarer

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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 10:37 am, by:  James Johnson (Jimbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Brent keep an eye on the Kiwi Corner there might be a meet soon if you are keen.

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