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James Beattie
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Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 10:37 pm, by:  James Beattie (Aboutschmit) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm trying to work out the cost margin between a U multi-point injected, 4 cylinder Celica (Stock), and a 6 cyl Soarer for filling a tank of petrol.

I've been keen on the soarers for a while but obviously the non-turbo, 4 cylinder option is gonna b more economical.

I'd like to kno both how much u pay to fill a tank, with the respective cents per litre price, and what fuel costs you wld expect of a celica.

Cheers.
Jose-Antonio Castillo
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NSW
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Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 11:04 pm, by:  Jose-Antonio Castillo (Ahh_soarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Celica I wouldn't have a clue, but since the mid~late 90's model runs the same motor as a Camry 4-banger I'd probably base it around that.

98RON fuel is Soarer food so give it what it needs and nothing less. Currently I'm paying about 119.9c/L for BP Ultimate (or thereabouts) and I'm usually down to around 1/4 full if not a little less every week (and it's a 78 litre tank).
Luke Nieuwhof
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WA
Soarer TT

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Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 11:07 pm, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

James, if the cost of fuel is the defining factor between what you get then go the Celica. The Soarer will cost you more and is probably more difficult to fix when something goes wrong.
James Beattie
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Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 11:36 pm, by:  James Beattie (Aboutschmit) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So that would work out to be around 70$ to fill a tank from the 1/4 mark.

Also I hear the soarer chugs through 13-15 L per 100 km city driving.

Is that a fair stat based on your experience?
Neil Griffiths
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NSW
212Kw @ 8psi MANUAL Super Charged UZZ31 :-)

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Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 12:14 am, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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Andrew Nguyen
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Find out next year

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Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 12:28 am, by:  Andrew Nguyen (Nuggz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if any here is a 'top gear' freak like i am

the Prius isn't all whats its mean to be
yes it is more efficient and cheaper to run then most petrol cars of it's size, but a small diesel powered car is by far more economical to run.

for example the new Astra diesel.

But then again, the tv could be lying.
Rehan Bandara
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NSW
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Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 03:24 am, by:  Rehan Bandara (Parsec) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

jeremy clarkson has never been wrong before ever.

my local priest told me so
Jose-Antonio Castillo
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NSW
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Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 09:46 am, by:  Jose-Antonio Castillo (Ahh_soarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol

Actually... for me it costs close to $90 or so to fill up :-) If you're looking for a cheap runabout this isn't the car.

Alternatively you can own two cars (which I did for a while... till the other one was smashed)... $15 to fill up half tank... I miss my Leone lol
Paul Christian
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WA
Soarer JZZ31

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Monday, November 13, 2006 - 12:58 am, by:  Paul Christian (Paul_christian) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've calculated 13.6L per 100k's - city driving in my 3L NA. Not cheap but worth every penny!
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
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Monday, November 13, 2006 - 09:19 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Andrew Nguyen wrote on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 12:28 am:

es it is more efficient and cheaper to run then most petrol cars of it's size, but a small diesel powered car is by far more economical to run.



If you drive it with your foot flat everywhere its gonna be an assey car on fuel, no doubt.
The same goes for all cars.

James, you dont save enough on fuel with the Soarer to make up the that you have to fix.. -.-''
I have a service history as long as me since Sept last year =P
Aaron Mead
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NT
TT

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Monday, November 13, 2006 - 11:02 am, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

toyta four cylinders formt he 90's such as teh 3sge and 3sfe and early this century are actually a little bit dirty, and arent that efficient. There actually isnt a hole lot of difference (going by experience havign owned a couple of camrys, auto and a manual)in fuel consumption at the end of the day.

I mean really, 4 cylinder camry chewing over 10l/100 (auto) or a LUXURY LINER SOARER using a bees dick over 11L/100km. For the record, my BA Falcon sucks 12.6l/100km @ the moment (auto)

One billion zillion times easier to work on the soarer, panels are dirt cheap and theres a good supply of parts available.

Considering where you live, you wont have the aircon tunning 100% of the time, the figures may be less, may be not.
Tim Appleton
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UZZ31

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Monday, November 13, 2006 - 01:54 pm, by:  Tim Appleton (Timbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, so I don't own a 6 cylinder, but my fuel consumption figures for my last fill were 645 km for 73 litres of BP Ultimate ($115.9 at last fill). That's 11.3 l/100km which isn't too shabby for an eight. One third of that was on the highway, lugging 3 and a half people and gear around, while the rest was stop/start with a bit of a hill run thrown in for good measure.

If you can halve that fuel consumption and still enjoy driving your economy box in city traffic, or on a weekend hill run as much as I do, then please let me know.
Alen Sadikovic
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Soarer GTT

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Monday, November 13, 2006 - 02:07 pm, by:  Alen Sadikovic (Alen87) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

james i own a 1987 celica and i pull about 450-500km out of it with 350,000km on the clock and to fill up a full tank at high petrol prices it costs me about $50. but you cant really compare a soarer and a celica, they are two different cars. if you want looks and speed go for the soarer, but if petrol is your number one factor, go for the celica. i pull upto 500km with my TT at $70-$80. but you wont regret it if you get a soarer, you will forget about petrol costs once you sit in a soarer. thats my opinion.
Joel Moore
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SA
91 Soarer TT

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Monday, November 13, 2006 - 09:21 pm, by:  Joel Moore (Ttsoai2ei2) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i have had my soarer three weeks now. I came from a holden barina. I love the soarer so much i have forgotten to care bout fuel costs. i am paying 80 to fill up and get 600km after a lot of hard accelerating, (the second week was test week )
Callum Finch
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WA
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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 09:27 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Aaron Mead wrote on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 11:02 am:

LUXURY LINER SOARER using a bees dick over 11L/100km



Just dont modify it! ;)
Shaun Stephenson
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Vic
Jzz30 TT & ST162

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 10:15 am, by:  Shaun Stephenson (Neonasty) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have both an 86 Celica and a 91 Soarer TT.

Celica awsome to work on, fun to drive and light weight. However it isnt in the same class as the Soarer. Celica has a 50 liter tank and averages around 10.5 liters per 100Kms around town. With some heavy acceleration etc. Soarer has an 80 liter tank asnd averages around 13 liters I think.

Both use premium as in the Celica I have an MR2 engine (3sge) same engine as standard but beause its using the old ECU it will ping if I dont use high octane.

I drive my Soarer daily but I love both cars.

My missus has a SV21 Camry, which has the 3sFe engine , 88kW vs my 120Kw or so however she gets great economy. Under 10 per 100 around town.

The 1990+ model celicas have a 5sfe engine, its basically the economy head with a 2.2 liter instead of a 2 liter. They can go alright and have fairly good torque but little pull in the higher revs.

If money is an issue and you are worried about fuel prices, Soarer isnt for you!

As I live 5 Kms from work, fuel isnt much of an issue for me either but if I worked over the other side of the city, then things might be different.

Well, theres my review. Hope it was helpful.
Braden Murdoch
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NSW
Cressida 1JZ TT

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 03:58 pm, by:  Braden Murdoch (Ribfeast) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

11L per 100km out of a 1JZ? Dunno how you manage that...

I get about 6 or 7km per litre around town. Maybe on the freeway that economy makes sense. I get about 9km per litre on the freeway.

The 2.5L V6 Mazda MX6 I had used to get 8.5km per litre around town :-)
Jeff Wilkins
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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 04:35 pm, by:  Jeff Wilkins (Calin) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think mine snorts 11L just to wake up in the morning let alone getting 100Ks on it hehe.

I'm trying REALLY hard to keep my right foot away from the firewall at the moment. Trying to ascertain just how miserly it can be, but its a bloody struggle I tells ya!

Normally I'll get 500klms IF I'M LUCKY out of a tank of BP Ultimate.

And shes a stocker!

Apexi NEO sitting here waiting to be installed next service. Will be interesting to see what difference that makes to performance/economy.
Adam Barry
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WA
UZZ30

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 04:38 pm, by:  Adam Barry (Acdchook) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Jeff Wilkins wrote on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 04:35 pm:

but its a bloody struggle


Jeff, that should be IT'S with an apostrophe, as you're using a contraction of IT IS.
Jeff Wilkins
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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 04:52 pm, by:  Jeff Wilkins (Calin) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LMAO
Marc Vipond
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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 02:26 am, by:  Marc Vipond (04awe) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmmm Adam when I start back at Uni next year I'll have to get you to check over all my assignments before I hand them in :-)
Dan McColl
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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 10:53 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Adam FTW.
Leon Wright
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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 11:41 pm, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My ST184 Celica was brilliant on fuel! About 8L/100 round town (not booting it everywhere) My co-pilot was getting around 6.5L/100, but i was only getting 7.5/100 on the drive across the Nullaboor, Granted I was pretty much low flying...

As for the Soarer, if I drive her really nicely I get about 10L/100 and about 15L/100 the way I normally drive
Nathan Sheehan
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Soarer TT Manual

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Friday, November 24, 2006 - 10:13 pm, by:  Nathan Sheehan (Soarermad1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well I get better milage, I get 10L/ 100km...but mine is a manual and just hum-dings along nicely.

Just don't put your foot down and dont overtake ppl. I run 14psi and you will notice the fuel go down so fast it ain't funny.

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