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Wafi Cheebo
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Victoria
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Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 04:32 pm, by:  Wafi Cheebo (Wafi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi guys,

I have done some searching on this topic and didnt find much so I just started this post just to see if anyone can help me.
I have a 1991 uzz31, when driving normally all is fine, but when I want to take off harder, not on a straight road basically just around a corner my transmission seems to takeoff in 2nd gear and no matter how much I push the accelerator it just tries to rev out in second gear, it doesnt seem to kick back down into first gear, is there something I can adjust for the transmission to kick down into first gear? Where as if I stop completly and take-off it takes off in first gear, but if the car is moving slightly, it will be in 2nd gear and wont kickdown into first.
Thanks
Shane McInnes
DieHard
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Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 05:56 pm, by:  Shane McInnes (Soarin_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From memory that is because the ECT is set to power?

If you flick it to normal it should drop back down to 1st.

But thats just a guess you could try what i said and see what happens?
Wafi Cheebo
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Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 06:05 pm, by:  Wafi Cheebo (Wafi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Shane
Even when the switch is on pwr or norm, I didnt notice a difference at all, when I am in 3rd or 4th and I kickdown it is perfectly fine but when I am in 2nd it wont kickdown into first, im not sure if im driving it properly?
David Vaughan
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Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 06:48 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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...when I want to take off harder, not on a straight road ... just around a corner...


Are you suggesting that it kicks down on the straight but not in a corner? Have you compared your speeds with the kickdown range published on ALSC?

Perhaps the ECU is sufficiently intelligent that it will not kick down while the steering is turned but, alas, I already know that is not true for kickdown from higher gears, which is a prime reason I now have a manual.
It seems to me that a failure to kick down while accelerating in a bend should be regarded as a virtue, not a problem
Brian Timms
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Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 08:32 pm, by:  Brian Timms (Turbo_brian) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Solenoid on it's way out maybe???

Soarers do have speed sensative steering, so the ECU will know the car is turning, but I doubt it's going to stop the car kicking back in gears, but if you have a dud or dying solenoid, that will definately stop the gears kicking back.

B.
Peter Nitschke
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Monday, February 26, 2007 - 03:33 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does a straight road make any difference?

Do you have TRC?
Matthew Sharpe
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JZZ31

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Monday, February 26, 2007 - 06:38 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bruce has a similar problem with his car. He took it in to a Lexus specialist, they plugged it in and it reported as a combo of a faulty solenoid and a problem with the lockup clutch. His was also showing a ECT error on the scrolly at times.

Also have you tried an ECU reset?
Wafi Cheebo
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Victoria
V8

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Monday, February 26, 2007 - 06:58 pm, by:  Wafi Cheebo (Wafi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes I have tried an ECU reset, same thing no luck. What I am trying to explain is when I take off from a complete stop of a red light into a straight line it takes off fine, but when I am completely stopped and I take off and turn a little corner, for example I am taking of a traffic light and turning the corner, after I have turned the corner and Planted my foot down it doesnt kick down into a lower gear, it just tries to takeoff in 2nd gear and doesnt feel right?? When I am already moving and I turn a corner at higher speeds, it can down gear but at low speed it doesnt?? I also dont have any error codes with my tranny. Thanks guys for all replies keep them coming.
Wafi Cheebo
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Monday, February 26, 2007 - 07:00 pm, by:  Wafi Cheebo (Wafi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can you guys also tell me where the solnoid is, and which one it is??
David Vaughan
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Monday, February 26, 2007 - 07:41 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sounds normal enough so far. It starts in first gear, by the time you turn a corner it is in second and probably doing 20-30km/h so it will be reluctant to go back to first, and why should it?

You have not answered the question from Pen and I about whether it kicks down (not starts in 1st from rest) in a straight line. If it does, at what speed?
Matthew Sharpe
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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 06:31 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Wafi Cheebo wrote on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 07:00 pm:

Can you guys also tell me where the solnoid is, and which one it is??




Inside the transmission, and could be one of 4. Don't worry they aren't expensive or difficult to replace, if that is the problem.

Get it checked out by a transmission specialist. You should be able to find one that'll diagnose for free.
Wafi Cheebo
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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 10:39 pm, by:  Wafi Cheebo (Wafi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Matt, I do not have traction control, it is a 1991 model, I dont think they came with trac? And yes the car goes way harder off the mark in a straight line, but that is by putting the foot down suddenly, and If I take off slowly and reach about 50-60 kmph and then put the foot down this is the speed it downgears, where as if I take of slowly and then suddenly at about 20kmph I put the foot down it will just lag and wont kickdown, probably because it is still in 2nd gear like around the corners if that answers the question? But I am getting a major service from Lexus this friday with the trans fluid change, see how that goes??
Matthew Sharpe
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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 08:58 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Really does sound like its behaving like Bruce's UZZ31. I'm guessing after what the Lexus mechanic told him a big part of the problem is the torque locking clutch not disengaging.
Jim Burrough
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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 07:20 pm, by:  Jim Burrough (Jfb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Wafi Cheebo wrote on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 10:39 pm:

I do not have traction control, it is a 1991 model, I dont think they came with trac?




My May-1991 UZZ31 has traction control (..or at least a switch with wires going somewhere!) Cheers.
Don Bagnall
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Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 04:47 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Wafi Cheebo wrote on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 10:39 pm:

it is a 1991 model, I dont think they came with trac?



TRAC was available from day one.
Wafi Cheebo
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Victoria
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Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 05:17 pm, by:  Wafi Cheebo (Wafi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well what do you know, you learn something new everyday LOL, for you guys with traction control, does it have much of an effect in the wet? Because I cant seem to get any traction in the wet.
Shane McInnes
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NSW
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Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 06:25 pm, by:  Shane McInnes (Soarin_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have TRC (traction control) and i hate it. I always turn it off. But when it rains heavily i leave it on lol. It works great in the wet and dry but i really dont like using it in the dry.
Wafi Cheebo
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Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 08:32 pm, by:  Wafi Cheebo (Wafi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does this traction control engage the breaks to stop the wheels from spinning or does it shut off the throttle? I know it is linked up to the ABS system?
Will Adams
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Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 08:43 pm, by:  Will Adams (Draco) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Retro-fitting Trac to ABS equipped cars? Possible or just to much of a drama?
Shane McInnes
DieHard
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Friday, March 02, 2007 - 03:52 pm, by:  Shane McInnes (Soarin_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its shuts of the Throttle once it detects a slight wheel spin. It still lets you put your foot down but it takes over and controls the rpms.

Perhaps someone can explain it a little better?
Tai Johnsen
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Friday, March 02, 2007 - 04:28 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think it does both.. Limit the throttle and apply brakes to the spinning wheel..

I may or may not have found this out when i had one rear wheel off the ground and was still able to move forward because the brake stopped the wheel in the air from spinning momentarily thus moving me forward.. I thought i had an LSD for a little while :-)
David Vaughan
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Friday, March 02, 2007 - 04:57 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Will, there is a kit which apparently fits fairly readily to fuel-injected cars equipped with ABS. I do not recall its name but it was a British product. It also lets you select how much over-spin it will allow on the rear wheels, which means you can set up the car from wet conditions to near-racing.

Shane, it cuts power to a low level rather than limiting RPM. It steps in when the rear wheels are revolving faster than the front by more than some small percentage. The ABS sensors provide this feedback.

Braking with ABS can and should be more efficient than braking without it but accelerating with TRC triggering means you just go nowhere, It is not a faster way around a wet corner.
Don Bagnall
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Friday, March 02, 2007 - 05:02 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.racelogic.co.uk/

http://www.racelogic.co.uk/?show=Traction_Control

Some of the English guys have it on their Soarers, and swear by them..............but not cheap.

Gareth Richards
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Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 02:22 am, by:  Gareth Richards (Garethr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://mkivsupra.net/vbb/ if you want opinions of the Racelogic system. It's very popular with UK Supra drivers, who, every winter, show an unnerving tendency to go spinning off into the British scenery when the second turbo comes in and/or the auto changes down to second in the middle of a greasy bend.

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