Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 09:34 pm, by: James Buchan(Jrbuch)
A friend has just bought one. You guys are probably sick to death of these stupid threads asking which car would beat which. I do realise it seems like a school holiday question, but I'm genuinely interested as to see what the result would be, at least in a straight line, as around a corner, there is no contest, my Soarer will pull away with the trd bilsteins.
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 09:42 pm, by: James Buchan(Jrbuch)
Haha, nice! I'll be getting the major service done soon, new plug leads, & so on. After that it'll either be a piggy back ecu or headers. That statesman will stand no chance
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 10:02 pm, by: James Cahir(James987)
Don't write off the L67 just yet. I remember back in 1997 Motor or Wheels magazine ran a 14.6 quarter mile time in a VS Calais super 6. The Stato would be around 0.5 seconds slower. Remember that the gun HSV's of the day ran mid to low 14's down the quarter.
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 10:16 pm, by: James Buchan(Jrbuch)
Thanks for the input fellas. It's an interesting comparison, I think stock for stock they'd be pretty close. Guess it's anyones guess as to which would win?
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 10:51 pm, by: Andrew Duaso(Andrewd)
Dude he's talking about 200kw commos back in the day like when they had 200 at the engine not the wheels and did 15's
the 5.0l iron block good sounding but slow std. Vr vs etc....
Let's not forget we have almost 200kw and a better useable rev range than the old 5l
I smashed the 185i stato that a guy from work owns easily and over and over..... But big deal...... Rember the local preist driving that V6 camry that goes harder than a GTHO and gets under 10l/100km
end of the day the V8 soarer seems to be under rated it goes very well for a car of it's era! Forget comparing it to a new car, compare it to the other large sedans from the early 90's back when 15 sec 1/4's where still fast....
Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 09:02 am, by: Jol Alexander(Courage)
I am confused here... I own a UZZ31 nd have owned a VS and a VT.
A Turbo'd(supercharged) VS should be able to destroy a Soarer V8 ... the V8 is just so "slow" to build up speed. It it was a rolling start then yeah it would b a fair race ..but from the christmas tree the turbo'd car should whoop the UZZ
That being said - add a Supercharger to the Soarer and it would rape the como without any drama
Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 09:32 am, by: Andrew Duaso(Andrewd)
Dude your missing the point here
factory supercharged 3.8L Holden
they made 172kw and 180kw in the hsv XU6 that's flywheel not at the wheels...
Modified they will go better.... But let's compare stock to stock...
Your soarer must be in need of repair because mine takes of very well now off the line, it has a stuffed afm and was a slug till high rpm but it goes well now... Totally stock other than straight through rear mufflers and resonators in place of the mid mufflers, full tank on the heavy gangster 20's subs and •••• in the boot and it was doing 15.3-5's on the gtech pro rr. Compare it to a mid 16 sec vat from the same era and the ols clapped out soarer still holds it's own even today. Not bad considering the age and general lack of maintainence on these old beasts. I had an EF full system and intake on it and it did 16.4's same size car same capacity newer model yet still slower and no where near as nice. I think cos it's a V8 soarer forgetting that it's old and just 4l everyone expects it to be a rocketship. I rember commos of the same era had just 165kw from their 5L engines and the std VL 5.0L had 122kw all flywheel.....
Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 10:19 am, by: Andrew Duaso(Andrewd)
That could be it...
A mates missus has a G6E turbo and it hammers but is still very smooth... Another has a r33 and that also goes good and feels faster, different story when the light goes green and the g6e t pulls away easily... Even though the r33 feels faster. Iput it down to the more noise and much harsher ride that gives the illusion of being faster when it's not
Jeff Harper - Ummm, "Soarer dude, my soarer is stock and can keep up with my mates 200kw HSV"
May I humbly suggest your mate needs to practise his launch, or drive it like he stole it.
Nah we have had a few runs, nothing stupid tho, the last one was both in second gear doing 60 and then flattened and my car began to pull away at about 100kph. Also I personally think V8 soarer's are quick for the amount they weigh, like the other day, some cool kid in an R33 skyline gtst with a loud blow off valve tried to drag me and then same thing happened, both sitting at 60kph and he put his foot down, so did I and we were side by side until about 90k and then I over took him... I don't know about all this talk sayin V8 soarer's are slow, I reckon they are pretty quick for the weight!
And Andrew, you are exactly right, VP Senator HSV 200kw (at the engine) Red Top motor 5.0i Sounds beastly!
Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 10:39 am, by: Ken Yo(Khangz)
Regardless, Holdens are crock of crap. Sure its fast but it falls apart.
H oles O il L eaks D ents E ngine N oises
Holden = Heaps Of Losers Drive Em Now Holden = Hundreds Of Little D!ckheads Engineering Nothing
Sorry, I do indeed like the cars don't get me wrong. But too many idiots drive them and think their hard. Same goes for BMW drivers, they all drive like wankers! Ahh, Goooooo's Frabaaa..
Iput it down to the more noise and much harsher ride that gives the illusion of being faster when it's not
Andrew Duaso wrote on Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 10:19 am:
Can't agree with you more about harsher ride and louder gives the illusion of 'fast'.
When I drive my UZZ it doesn't feel 'QUICK!' but when I look at the speedo, I know it is. Mainly as the smoothness of the ride as well as the sound (mine has stock exhaust ;() takes away that ruggedness the Dirty Datsuns have (Nissans).
Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 04:39 pm, by: James Buchan(Jrbuch)
Good discussion guys, I'm going to get the major service done soon - Timing belt change, water pump etc, and also some new spark plug leads.
Andrew, when you say you've smashed a 185i Stato over & over, is this from a standstill? I find when the soarer is moving they're quick but from a standstill it ain't easy to get them off the line quickly. Maybe I just need a good service. Hehe
Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 05:37 pm, by: Ali Saeed(Ali)
the transmission on the soarer, isnt exactly built to get you of the line quicker is it. its all about the smooth gear changes. get a shift kit and youll spin it going into 2nd.
Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 07:27 pm, by: Rob Rojo(Rob_tt)
If your after a quick car a V8 soarer probably isn't the best choice, they are a great cruiser but unless you spend big $$$ on them they will always be average.
If you want something quick buy a TT soarer and spend around $2000 on mods and it will run mid 12's all day long.
I have raced (at the drags) many Commodores and Fords putting out 300-350rwkw and still beat them most of the time.
Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 07:31 pm, by: Rob Rojo(Rob_tt)
Ali Saeed wrote on Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 05:37 pm:
the transmission on the soarer, isnt exactly built to get you of the line quicker is it. its all about the smooth gear changes. get a shift kit and youll spin it going into 2nd.
I disagree, the Auto Soarer (TT) launches hard 1.6 second 60ft times are pretty quick for a 1600kg 2.5L car.
Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 08:33 pm, by: Andrew Duaso(Andrewd)
afaik the TT has a shorter 1st gear ratio and shorter diff gears, the a341e in my soarer has a 2.53 1st and a 3.92 diff vs the a340 tranny with 2.80 1st gear and 4.08 diff
my numbers are off the top of my head so bear with me but you get the point....
now the tranny is a torque multiplier and with shorter 1st gear ratio and shorter diff gearing, the tractive effort of the TT in 1st even without more power than a V8 is still much greater...
Sunday, September 06, 2009 - 05:24 pm, by: David Goldthorpe(Sprocket82)
James Buchan wrote on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 09:34 pm:
I'm genuinely interested as to see what the result would be, at least in a straight line
James, a mate of mine has a VS with a supercharged 3.8L motor from a VT Calais, 5 speed manual, 18inch rims and GT gas struts. It would beat my V8 Soarer around town but I think we'd be evenly matched out on an open road.
Adam Peterson Goo Roo Western Australia Supercharged & Intercooled V8
Sunday, September 06, 2009 - 11:08 pm, by: Adam Peterson(President)
It is unfortunate my supercharged and intercooled V8 Soarer with well over 300hp @ wheels never made it to the drag strip. However i do know it held up with VE HSVs quite easily.
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