Tuesday, August 26, 2014 - 07:52 pm, by: Matthew Salkeld(Munkymatt)
Can anyone recommend a workshop in Adelaide who is happy to regas my v8 soarer with hychill? I can supply the hychill myself no problem. Vehikool don't want to use hychill because they're afraid of being sued in the event of an accident.
Wednesday, August 27, 2014 - 12:00 am, by: Scott Vim(1uz1jz)
Hychill is propane based and propane has a much lower flashpoint then a/c gas does. Also most who won't use hychill swear that it is bad for the a/c system. In Melbourne there are no shortage of blokes running around with BBQ gas bottles filled with hychill. Its not really regulated well so be careful. Also be mindful it is flammable- propane makes a great fuel but I wouldn't use it in my a/c system. In the end its your car and your decision what you use.
Wednesday, August 27, 2014 - 02:01 pm, by: Matthew Salkeld(Munkymatt)
I'm well aware of what hychill is and why some people are irrationally afraid of it. I agree that putting hychill in a system designed or converted for r134 would be moronic; but this car has never had r134 in it.
I've already got the hychill I need in a sealed canister; what I don't have is a vacuum pump and a manifold.
FYI, hydrocarbon refrigerants are used widely for plant and some truck refrigeration; it is no more dangerous than r134 (the likelihood of creating an ignition source in an accident that is capable of igniting a HC gas is about the same for the flammable lubricants in r134) when handled sensibly.
Thursday, August 28, 2014 - 01:23 am, by: Boris Siljanoski(Z2tt)
Nobody has proven that Hydrocarbon refrigerant is bad For an Auto A/C System or causes damage to it. Almost all of these claims originate from VASA, a organisation who acts as professional body representing the industry as a front, to spread propaganda about HC refrigerants.
In 20 Years, they failed to prove any of their claims to be correct and if you read their newsletters you will find some of their explanations lack knowledge of 2nd grade maths.
95% of Systems that are converted for R134a are actually not converted for R134a, because they still use an old serpentine flow condenser, where factory R134a Systems use Parallel flow condensers. Because these old systems will never perform the same they did with R12, means that R134a is a Less suited refrigerant to R12 Systems.
In real life the car catching on fire or you getting hurt, is not very likely to happen. Even smaller amounts of HC leaked into the cabin would create an unbearable odour. The oil used in most factory R134a A/C systems is flammable. R134a when heated up to high temperatures can create a poisonous gas, hydrogen fluoride - so with both refrigerants there Lies a risk.
Matt Try ring Hychills regional manager in South Australia he may know of a few places that can do it.
Your going to need that entire can of refrigerant (300g) Get a new receiver/drier fitted, and get leaks check for leaks at the compressor shaft, EPR Valve seam and capillary tube, aswell as discharge and liquid fittings at the condenser.
Thursday, August 28, 2014 - 07:20 am, by: Matthew Salkeld(Munkymatt)
Well, running hychill in an r134 designed system wouldn't work well; nor does it mix well with the lubricating oil of r134. So as long as people are aware of that, it's all good.
I ended up finding a totally random "dial a regas" mobile service who is happy to do it for $90 and I can't be bothered shopping around for more.
The system has had those components replaced already by the previous owner and I'm happy to wing it for now. Last time I had a pressure test (6 months back) the only leak was coming from an o-ring, which I've since replaced. Basically, the whole thing should be pretty solid; I wish I had a vac pump and manifold set!!!
Friday, August 29, 2014 - 11:42 am, by: Scott Vim(1uz1jz)
What I hate is no one tells you they are using hychill. My old mechanic just told me they regased it without telling me exactly what they used. I don't want to use BBQ gas in my a/c, my choice. They should let people know they don't have a licence for r134a and they can only use hychill out of a BBQ gas bottle. Not just do the job and charge the same price as r134a. Bigger profits to be made of hychill I suppose.
Saturday, August 30, 2014 - 07:04 am, by: Matthew Salkeld(Munkymatt)
If you're getting ripped off, you're getting ripped off. Mechanics can make more from r134 because it's far more expensive; their markup is proportionally greater. In my area at least, I couldn't find anyone who used hychill.
Please bear in mind that calling hychill 'bbq gas' is a bit like calling water, wine. Or someone telling you that all motor oils are identical; it's bullshit, basically
Incidentally, in an emergency you CAN put any HC gas into an aircon system and it will work; but it's probably not a good idea.
Btw r134 comes in bbq gas bottles I'm not sure why you're so concerned about what container they're supplied in
Saturday, August 30, 2014 - 12:43 pm, by: Boris Siljanoski(Z2tt)
Scott you probably read some misleading and poorly written articles on the internet written by VASA which is why you refer to it as BBQ gas.
If you put BBQ Gas in your A/C system you will make components leak faster and shorten the life of your compressor, than if you used a refrigerant such as R134a or Hychill Minus30, or any refrigerant made to have similar operational properties to R134a
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