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Glen Muller
TryHard
Victoria
V8 Soarer UZZ31

Posts: 135
Reg: 12-2007

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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 04:43 pm, by:  Glen Muller (Doom_and_gloom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

... is what you need to be to un-do an oil filter fitted by Crossover Cars!!!

BY GOD that thing was on tight... first I couldn't get in through the top for all the hoses and crap in the way, so I had to unscrew the belly pan and go in from underneath. Then:

- I had about 10 ants decide to make my hair their new home. Great.

- I knocked the drip tray and spilled 2 litres of hot oil on the ground and my arm. Ouch.

- The freakin oil filter wouldn't budge, so I had to settle for a screwdriver and a hammer. Punch a hole through, turn, remove screwdriver. Repeat x 4. By then, your arm is covered in oil!

Conclusion: please, for the love of everything Holy, do not use superhuman strength to screw in an oil filter!!! Unless of course, you're selling the car and want to mess with the new owner's head... muahaha!
Adrain Parsons
TryHard
Qld
JZZ30 tt

Posts: 346
Reg: 08-2005

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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 05:58 pm, by:  Adrain Parsons (Ace1975) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

get a filter strap and a socket set!! 2 seconds and the filter is off!
Glen Muller
TryHard
Victoria
V8 Soarer UZZ31

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Reg: 12-2007

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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 06:42 pm, by:  Glen Muller (Doom_and_gloom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've got one! My problem is, nowhere nice to do this stuff... on the lawn in the back yard, oh the joys!
Adrain Parsons
TryHard
Qld
JZZ30 tt

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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 09:45 pm, by:  Adrain Parsons (Ace1975) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

get some wheel ramps
Luke Burt
TryHard
Queensland
Soarer TT

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Reg: 08-2007

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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 09:18 am, by:  Luke Burt (Burt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do it properly, and you won't have a problem. Jack it up, put it on stands, sheet of cardboard underneath you, two drain pans one to leave under the sump the other for the oil filter. Avoid doing it while the oil is hot enough to burn you, if you really want to get most of the old stuff out, drop a clean litre of oil down the top while your draining, will help push a bit more oil out. Use a filter wrench, always ALWAYS rub a small film of oil on the rubber seal before fitting a new filter, then do it up hand tight, plus a half turn, or full turn if you like with the wrench.

Done.
Glen Muller
TryHard
Victoria
V8 Soarer UZZ31

Posts: 138
Reg: 12-2007

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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 01:48 pm, by:  Glen Muller (Doom_and_gloom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know I need to get stands of some description, but I still wouldn't get underneath the car in my backyard. I've got no concrete or anything firm to do it on... if we haven't moved out of this dump before the next service I might take a drive to Ballarat to steal the old man's kick arse workshop.

Yesterday was more of an emergency job - the first opportunity where I had the cash to get all the stuff and the time to do it. I was 600km overdue already... so it was pretty urgent. I don't like to mess around with older engines.

Seriously though, I've never encountered an oil filter that was done up so damn tight! The filter wrench just spun around and took paint off the filter, no matter how hard I did it up. The one I have was made by the old man and works better than a lot of store-bought jobs, since the handle is about 3 inches longer than most - if anyone is interested I can ask him how he made it and post a tutorial.
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8

Posts: 8768
Reg: 11-2004

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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 02:56 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

UZZ31 should have enough room underneath for draining the oil without jacking, especially if you raise it first.

Hopefully you won't have the removal problems again, or at least you will know who to blame. :-)
Steven Anderson
TryHard
NSW
UZZ31 Manual

Posts: 188
Reg: 05-2006

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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 03:53 pm, by:  Steven Anderson (Cusscuss) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i think the point is they are not supposed to be tight.

If done correctly a filter should be a hand tight job. Most of them have instructions something along the line of 'turn until it starts to grip and then turn another 3/4 of a turn' and no more.

99% of mechanics are dodgy and just want in and out of there as quick as possible.
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8

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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 04:05 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have never had that problem with cars serviced by mechanics, so I would strenuously deny that 99% figure, unless you specifically go to el-crappo-cheepy mechanics.

I rely on mechanics to do the things that I can't do - which is a lot, and have nothing but respect for their skills and knowledge.

Any industry has some lousy operators, but to tar 99% of them is extreme exaggeration.
Dave Billings
Goo Roo
Louisiana
SC 300, 2JZE, 5 Speed

Posts: 1096
Reg: 06-2007

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Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 10:06 am, by:  Dave Billings (Waveman1717) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Some mechanics may screw it on so tight that you HAVE to keep going back rather than struggle with it yourself...
Damian Ware
DieHard
Victoria
UZZ32

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Reg: 10-2005

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Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 10:12 am, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Where you trying to undo the filter while the engine was hot.

The seal expands and it gets very tight when hot.

I always loosen the filter first whilst the engine is cold.
Jose-Antonio Castillo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer VVTi

Posts: 1439
Reg: 07-2005

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Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 10:16 am, by:  Jose-Antonio Castillo (Ahh_soarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On a V8 Soarer it should be easy to do (isn't the filter at the bottom of the engine?!) on a 1J the damn filter is on the side of block! And I'm a big kid, so I just get my mechanic to do it because I really can't be arsed lol
Glen Muller
TryHard
Victoria
V8 Soarer UZZ31

Posts: 144
Reg: 12-2007

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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 12:56 pm, by:  Glen Muller (Doom_and_gloom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I prefer to do stuff myself so I know who to blame, and yes it's at the bottom of the engine. I'd imagine the whole deal is heaps easier for a mechanic with a mechanical hoist.

Peter- there was plenty of room the first time I did it since I had a nice concrete floor to play with, but the dirt out in my yard is a little crappy. I would have done the 130km to my olds' place but when you're 600km overdue for a service, you're 600km overdue!

Also: advantage of borrowing the old man's workshop - usually he comes along and has a play, and you slowly back off to the beer fridge in the corner and let him go. He doesn't usually realise you've left until the job is almost done, and you're sitting in a chair with four empty stubbies beside you!
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8

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Monday, February 04, 2008 - 12:12 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Braden Murdoch
DieHard
NSW
Cressida 1JZ TT

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Monday, February 04, 2008 - 12:16 pm, by:  Braden Murdoch (Ribfeast) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hehe good idea ;)

I prefer to use one of those oil filter wrenches - has 3 spinning arms that grip it real tight. The tighter you turn the ratchet, the harder it grips.

I ended up installing an oil filter relocation kit to avoid the difficulty of reaching the filter again.
Glen Muller
TryHard
Victoria
V8 Soarer UZZ31

Posts: 149
Reg: 12-2007

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Monday, February 04, 2008 - 05:35 pm, by:  Glen Muller (Doom_and_gloom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Braden Murdoch wrote on Monday, February 04, 2008 - 12:16 pm:

I ended up installing an oil filter relocation kit to avoid the difficulty of reaching the filter again.




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