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Sebastian DeLuca
Tinkerer
Queensland
Purchasing Soon
Posts: 9
Reg: 08-2009
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hey all. i was wondering if a v8 soarer can beat a stock MY04 Subaru WRX STi... just a thought...
all input is appreciated |
Christian Somerville
Tinkerer
South Australia
UZZ31 V8
Posts: 21
Reg: 03-2009
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Hmm, the soarer would probably beat the rexy when aerodynamics come into account, but on take off, nah.
I was even with my mates HSV 200kw senator because of the aerodynamics of the soarer. |
Sebastian DeLuca
Tinkerer
Queensland
Purchasing Soon
Posts: 10
Reg: 08-2009
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crap... i was thinking the soarer was more for freeway driving as the WRX was more adapted to winding rally courses... |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 10810
Reg: 11-2004
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Define "beat". |
James Cahir
TryHard
ACT
Soarer TT
Posts: 277
Reg: 04-2008
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Don't waste your time, the STi will smash your Soarer in a straight line and through the twisties. |
Steven Anderson
TryHard
NSW
UZZ31 Manual
Posts: 378
Reg: 05-2006
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wrx... maybe, STi, no way. |
Mark Tierney
TryHard
NSW
Soarer GTT & Celsior
Posts: 269
Reg: 09-2005
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How about...NO!
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Andrew Duaso
TryHard
Victoria
V8
Posts: 281
Reg: 02-2009
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hahaha i wish, the average V8 does a mid 15-mid-high15 1/4 mile
what the sti do flat 14's high 13's std??
the difference is in reality at least an 80m win over the 1/4 if not more...
where the V8 soarer wins in in luxury comfort sound and burnouts, also coolness whilst not being a cop magnet |
David Tra
Goo Roo
qld
TT
Posts: 1061
Reg: 11-2007
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Why does it matter? You cant drive neither 
This isnt boostcruising |
Ali Saeed
DieHard
WA
V8 Limited
Posts: 988
Reg: 09-2007
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mmm what about a rolling start at 80kph? turbo lags? |
Andrew Duaso
TryHard
Victoria
V8
Posts: 282
Reg: 02-2009
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Still doubt it. 206kw and a couple hundred kg less will account for the lag that there won't be any of any way. Over 140 the soarer would be a good match. But then you hit the wall at a gay 179 lol.. All asuming the Sti us totally std |
Mark Tierney
TryHard
NSW
Soarer GTT & Celsior
Posts: 270
Reg: 09-2005
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Still No |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer TT & UZZ31
Posts: 2722
Reg: 12-2007
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The WRX sti will beat a stock V8 Soarer from start to finish standing start, rolling start, downhill, uphill, corners, dirt, ice, track etc. |
Michael Brown
Tinkerer
Queensland
V8 UZZ31 Limited
Posts: 76
Reg: 07-2009
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I agree with Rob. as much as i wish that a soarer would win the WRX is lighter is turbocharged its designed to race around corners. And the best part its AWD so it'd launch off the start line  Turbo charged V8 soarer is the solution to this dilema |
Andrew Duaso
TryHard
Victoria
V8
Posts: 283
Reg: 02-2009
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dont forget though the driveline losses, up to 160ish not really an issue, but at higher speeds its much harder to overcome, i had a awd car with 175awkw and over 130ish km/h it was no faster than a 2wd with considerably less power.... infact i was making 40kw more atw than an identical but 2wd car, exacly same 1/4 mile times we did but his was 5mph faster, mine though was far more consistant, where i was winning big time was 60' and up to half track...
a stock V8 soarer will do 153km/h terminal speed over the 1/4 i cant see a older Wrx being much more than 164km/h
anyway get a TT and wait for him to finnish... |
Sebastian DeLuca
Tinkerer
Queensland
Purchasing Soon
Posts: 12
Reg: 08-2009
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thanks guys... |
Bobby Green
TryHard
QLD
TT
Posts: 352
Reg: 09-2005
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The new 09wrx non sti model will destroy a stock v8 or tt. They are pretty good for $40k new. Modified is another story, talking about how long is a piece of string. I still think uzz31s are some of the comfiest cars around though, even compared to modern stuff. |
Vinh Bui
Goo Roo
NSW
96 JZZ30 (TT)
Posts: 2894
Reg: 07-2005
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Bobby Green wrote on Monday, August 31, 2009 - 04:39 pm:The new 09wrx non sti model will destroy a stock v8 or tt. They are pretty good for $40k new.
Shame they also look like ass (in my opinion). |
Andrew Duaso
TryHard
Victoria
V8
Posts: 286
Reg: 02-2009
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thats not opinion thats fact! |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 4647
Reg: 10-2005
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Yeah, all WRX's look like arse, same with Evo's. I guess you buy them for the engineering, not the looks. (or possibly just the "street cred"?) |
David Tra
Goo Roo
qld
TT
Posts: 1066
Reg: 11-2007
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street cred is where its at! Why else would the general public buy a mitsi, nissan, subu... for their monstrous reliability? >.< |
Ali Saeed
DieHard
WA
V8 Limited
Posts: 991
Reg: 09-2007
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lol street cred...rofl...people who buy cars for street cred need..a life..lol
most of the new wrx's are undercover cops, ive seen so many of them, it seems like all wrx's in wa were sold to the WA police..lol |
Doran Guthrie
Tinkerer
WA
VVTI Turbo
Posts: 89
Reg: 10-2007
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Considering there is only 1 based SOR n 2 North?
You need to get ready for all the non-collected impounds they are going to outfit with mobile TARDIS, now the police have got over 3000 uncollected vehicles from they new rego laws the game just got fun. |
Luke Nieuwhof
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT
Posts: 2856
Reg: 07-2005
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Matthew Sharpe wrote on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 04:41 am:Yeah, all WRX's look like arse, same with Evo's. I guess you buy them for the engineering, not the looks. (or possibly just the "street cred"?)
Early Rexes and Evos look just fine to me.
I'm a big fan of the new Evo stuff come to think of it too.
And yes the stock STI will beat a stock V8 Soarer everywhere, every day, every condition...you'd need to spend big dollars on a V8 to get it to that kind of reliable pace. TT on the other hand... |
David Tra
Goo Roo
qld
TT
Posts: 1069
Reg: 11-2007
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Ive driven the new evo's.
Feels like AWD commodore and weights close to a Soarer |
Ken Yo
Tinkerer
Victoria
V8 SC400
Posts: 50
Reg: 08-2009
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Ali Saeed wrote on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 08:00 am:
most of the new wrx's are undercover cops, ive seen so many of them, it seems like all wrx's in wa were sold to the WA police..lol
Serious? I stay clear of any new Bombadore or Falcons. Not sure Melbourne has any other car thats undercover apart from them 2. But I could be wrong |
Ben Daniel
Goo Roo
WA
UZZ31 & JZA80
Posts: 2153
Reg: 03-2006
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I know for a dire fact that in Perth Cops drive Falcons (standard and XR6 Turbo) commodores (standard and SV6) Magna's, Camry's, WRX's and STI's.
Anyways... a V8 soarer against an STI ?? LOL !!! my GT35R Soarer could barely keep up with one. They're ••••••• quick cars. I went up against 1 that was completely stock down a long straight "private" road and we were neck and neck the whole way. |
Ken Yo
Tinkerer
Victoria
V8 SC400
Posts: 51
Reg: 08-2009
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V8's were meant for cruising. WRX Sti is a focused race car, hardly a fair comparison. Besides, V8 is NA and the Sti is Turbo charged. |
Bobby Green
TryHard
QLD
TT
Posts: 357
Reg: 09-2005
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Your old GT35R is pushing a comfy 440rwhp at 15psi now Ben and blew the doors off a certain MY08 Sti that gets around up here. (on a race track) |
Ali Saeed
DieHard
WA
V8 Limited
Posts: 993
Reg: 09-2007
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in addition to what Ben mentioned, there are also holden astras, hyundai elantras and some chrysler 300c's |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 4650
Reg: 10-2005
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Luke Nieuwhof wrote on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 05:46 pm:Early Rexes and Evos look just fine to me.
I'm a big fan of the new Evo stuff come to think of it too.
Beauty is in the eye and all that. I figured at least the guy who designed them must have thought they are nice to look at, so some other people must agree with them, but to me they look like what they are, boring saloon cars for the masses with lots of "go fast" bits tacked on to them. |
Mark Tierney
TryHard
NSW
Soarer GTT & Celsior
Posts: 275
Reg: 09-2005
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Ben, was that GT35R on a 2.5 or 3 litre bottom end? |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
Roadster
Posts: 3633
Reg: 11-2005
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STI vs Soarer V8.. really?
Haha. |
Steven Anderson
TryHard
NSW
UZZ31 Manual
Posts: 380
Reg: 05-2006
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needs more 22b
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Christian Somerville
Tinkerer
South Australia
UZZ31 V8
Posts: 44
Reg: 03-2009
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Yeah, EJ22 - 2.2L 257kw with 363 Nm torque!
I did an assignment on Jap turbo engines a while back and the EJ22 was the best for power/cc output. |
Andrew Duaso
TryHard
Victoria
V8
Posts: 302
Reg: 02-2009
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You must have missed the whole bit about the rotors then or are we talking piston engines if so there was a Suzuki I can't rember now but 599 or 660 cc little thing that has the greatest power output per cc by a mile. |
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
V8 Limited
Posts: 1002
Reg: 09-2007
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thats not a lot of torque is it. |
David Grima
TryHard
WA
1JZ-GTE TT
Posts: 232
Reg: 07-2007
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Ben Daniel wrote on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 09:37 pm:I know for a dire fact that in Perth Cops drive Falcons (standard and XR6 Turbo) commodores (standard and SV6) Magna's, Camry's, WRX's and STI's.
They definately like rolling around in the new hatchback WRX'S that for sure, my mates little brother found out the hard way.... he had a drag against one down North Lake rd in Kardy in his 91 V8 ltd a couple of months back thinking they wanted a "GO" from the lights, they let him take off ahead of them a bit, waited till he hit about 135kph (in a 70kph zone) before they pulled up behind him and hit the blue lights. Impounded the car on the spot, fine & court costs, about $900 to get the car out of impound a month later and loss of license. |
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
V8 Limited
Posts: 1008
Reg: 09-2007
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haha i saw this idiot driving in middle of freo in his commonwhore ute, going the WRONG way on a one way street, while a WRX was heading the right way towards him. turned out the wrx was a cop. they took his car away within 10 mins lol. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 4657
Reg: 10-2005
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Cops in NZ use a whole range of vehicles for the plain clothes, I've seen Mazda 6's, Honda Accord Euros, and Toyota Aurions... but they only ever use Commonwhores for panda cars, god knows why an Aurion would be a better choice I would have thought. |
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo
NSW
Toyota Corolla Conquest
Posts: 1992
Reg: 07-2005
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Andrew Duaso wrote on Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 04:57 pm:You must have missed the whole bit about the rotors then or are we talking piston engines if so there was a Suzuki I can't rember now but 599 or 660 cc little thing that has the greatest power output per cc by a mile.
Technically a rotor (according to FIA) is actually double its noted capacity as it has 2 combustions per 4 stroke revolution, ie like a 2 stroke engine
So a 13b would actually be 2.6L. So you look at the new RX8 for example with 180kw or so and about 220nm of torque and it looks pretty bad when its technically a 2.6L. Note also that RX8 uses the gas of a 3.0-3.5L engine. It's aweful. |
Andrew Duaso
TryHard
Victoria
V8
Posts: 306
Reg: 02-2009
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I don't like rotors so I'm not sticking up for them. But even if they are rated 2x capacity 180kw from 2600cc is still impressive without forced induction.... But regardless of how many powerstrokes per revolution it's stil a 1.3L |
Slav Todorovic
Tinkerer
nsw
tt pov pack
Posts: 57
Reg: 05-2009
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Speaking from experience cos i had a 12a j port in the back of a classic 55"oval vw beetle, yeah they hammer, but what they have in power they quickly lose in reliability. Bet you wont find to many rotors out there with 200k's on the clock without having been rebuilt, maybe even twice
Go toyota, you good thing |
Andrew Duaso
TryHard
Victoria
V8
Posts: 310
Reg: 02-2009
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The RX-7 SP produced 204 kW (274 hp) and 357 N·m
just like the 22b a very short run production car....
who said they have no torque?
see what happens with a snail, 220nm goes to a 4.0L falconish (well ef/el) 357nm
fuel probably goes into 4wd land, but who cares.... must be funn doing a zillion rpm.... well in a weekend car, daily it'd drive me nuts |
Christian Somerville
Tinkerer
South Australia
UZZ31 V8
Posts: 56
Reg: 03-2009
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The 13b rotor is actually a 1.3L, while the 20B is a 2.0L triple rotor as the rotor cc size is around 697cc. |
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