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Phil Gibson
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Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 08:07 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looked around to see if anyone knew whether these fitted Soarers - no such luck and theyre not listed in the Bosch catalog

I bit the bullet and bought a pair and not only do they fit perfectly but they look so much better than the factory wipers :-)

Model number you need is BBA530, you should be able to get them from Supercrap and places like that

Theyre not cheap compared to replacement standard wiper blades, around $50 a pair but are supposed to be the ducks nuts

It will be raining the rest of the week so guess i will find out...
Ben Daniel
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Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 11:07 pm, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It beg's the question tho phil, how good can wipers get in the sense how can they do the job better than other's when you factor in cost.

I went from using your generic rubber wiper blades at $15 a pair to Silicone one's for $35 a pair cause my mate said they were better and honestly... I can't tell how they are better. They both did their job perfectly. :-)
Phil Gibson
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Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 11:28 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On both my cars the black paint is fading on the wipers, ive always thought they look bulky and ugly and on one the wipers were crap anyway even with replacement blades

The Bosch ones replace the whole wiper part from the arm up not just the blades which is why they cost more plus they last longer (apparently)
Phil Gibson
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Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 11:31 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

edit - better pic

Vinh Bui
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 10:37 am, by:  Vinh Bui (Hyudsjk) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good find Phil. I'll keep this thread in mind when it's time to change my wipers due to rust/paint flake/etc.
Dave Cazes
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 12:27 pm, by:  Dave Cazes (Cazman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Daniel wrote on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 11:07 pm:

It beg's the question tho phil, how good can wipers get in the sense how can they do the job better than other's when you factor in cost.

I went from using your generic rubber wiper blades at $15 a pair to Silicone one's for $35 a pair cause my mate said they were better and honestly... I can't tell how they are better. They both did their job perfectly. :-)




I only use the silicone "vivid" wipers from trico now.
We are a trico agent and I tried all of their products and felt quite ripped off with some of the wiper refills.

Almost all of them (even their premium metal and teflon versions) made noise on the back stroke, and the teflon ones juddered on the screen.
The teflon only lasted about 1 month before they left streak marks everywhere.

I now uuse the vivids and they are the best viper Ive ever used, I left them on my car for 6 months in the weather while I was rebuilding it, and they still work perfectly, streak free and the most silent wipe ever.

This goes against everything trico say though, but try it for your self.
Adam Peterson
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 01:33 pm, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Last year in Europe we used a washer fluid called 'Anti Pluie' or something like that. Its a water repellent that made the water literally bead off the glass.

Does anyone know where i can find that ?
David Vaughan
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 02:13 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rain-X
Anika Le
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 02:48 pm, by:  Anika Le (Hime1901) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Vaughan wrote on Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 02:13 pm:

Rain-X




Yeah I was just about to say that as well. Works a treat
Mike Bradberry
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 04:10 pm, by:  Mike Bradberry (Halflife) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There's also a product for those that don't want to have to think too much about what they buy and it's called 'Brainex'.
Then I suppose you could get wipers made from snakeskin. They are called 'windsceen vipers'.
David Vaughan
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 05:20 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You mean the Viper? He who comes to vipe your vindows?
Kristian Sibum
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 06:04 pm, by:  Kristian Sibum (2jz_wa) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jaa! Is goed vipers ja?
Adam Peterson
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 06:22 pm, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

too much try hard attempts at Dutch and German.
Ali Saeed
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 06:25 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

vasssappppp my name is brunnooo!

ive been using some refils from coventarys, they work fine without streaks or any noise at all. quite like them
David Vaughan
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 07:08 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My German will do for my purposes. I was referring to a primary school joke that is sooo old that perhaps only Mike can remember it. :-)
Matthew Sharpe
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 10:55 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Beats trying to paint my old ones I guess.
Mike Beck
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 03:14 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They look good.
Nathan Machin
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Friday, July 17, 2009 - 09:53 pm, by:  Nathan Machin (Nthside_soarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Phil they look pretty good and also a good replacement price. I will be buying a set for mine when i need them.

Cheers bud
Phil Gibson
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Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 11:27 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Im pretty happy with them so far, they are completely silent unlike the factory ones and work well
Mike Dobkin
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Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 05:19 pm, by:  Mike Dobkin (Razman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Phil, I have been using these for about a year now and while they are very good at low speed I find they start to lift at anything over 80mph - have you found this?
David Vaughan
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Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 05:41 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That might turn me off them. Did you really mean 130 km/h, or 80 km/h?
Mike Dobkin
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Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 05:56 pm, by:  Mike Dobkin (Razman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm in the UK so I guess 130kph in your part of the world :-)
The old style wipers had a directional spoiler fitted to them, but these do not. I find that fast (and wet) motorway use is a nightmare as they lift badly leaving large unswept areas on the screen.

*edit* actually they might not be Bosch, but another make of silicone wiper. Have the Bosch ones got a spoiler?
David Vaughan
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Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 06:00 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hard to tell from the photo above. Anyone got a better one?
Damian Ware
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Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 06:03 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The factory wipers are silent provided the arms are in good condition.

Just out of interest Trico OEM manufacture of wiper arms for a number of car manufactures including toyota recommend replacing the wiper arms every 12 to 18 months and the rubbers every 6 to 12 months.

I have always found the arms are stuffed when the rubbers need replacing and I don't ever both buying refils I just replace the arms.

The reason the arms wear out is they develop additional movement and the blade is no longer held perpendicular to the glass and drags across the glass. This leaves streaks and can make noise if they are well beyond stuffed

IMO there is no real solution other than to replace the arms regularly.
Mike Dobkin
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Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 06:23 pm, by:  Mike Dobkin (Razman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The arms?? Surely you mean the frames. My car's wiper arms are the original 1994 items and still going strong, although I repainted them last year.

http://www.tricoproducts.com/common/images/Trico/ezlit/WiperArms.jpg

The silicone wiper blades are designed to leave a microscopic coating on the screen to repel water - sometimes I don't even have to switch the wipers on as the rain just runs off (similar effect to RainX)
Mike Dobkin
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Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 06:27 pm, by:  Mike Dobkin (Razman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Found this drawing on the Bosch site - looks like they do have a directional spoiler so mine must be a competitor's

http://www.boschautoparts.co.uk/images/product/pcWipe/pcWipe_ex.jpg
Phil Gibson
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Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 10:21 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes the top part of them is shaped like a small spoiler. Not all of the factory Soarer ones had the spoiler bit on them either (One of my cars did, the other two didnt)

As far as high-speed use goes, i'll probably find out this week...
Damian Ware
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Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 11:16 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry Mike, I just noted that they are technically referred to as blades.

Yes what is technically referred to as arms normally last 20 plus years but the blades need to be replaced regularly not just the blade refills.
Peter Burrett
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Monday, July 20, 2009 - 04:53 pm, by:  Peter Burrett (Burrett) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

....for the skinflints, spray painting them (after removal and disassembly) gave me great results on 2 of our Soarers.....pick the paint carefully, it needs to have good "body".....I used Krylon and got an as new look.
Kristian Sibum
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Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 07:15 pm, by:  Kristian Sibum (2jz_wa) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Adam Peterson wrote on Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 06:22 pm:




Lol, my parents are Dutch, and I can speak it a bit lol, so wasn't really trying.
Matthew Sharpe
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Friday, September 04, 2009 - 07:04 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well I just put a full set of the Aero's on, they were on special at Supercheap for $25 each, so only $75 Kiwi all up (about $60AUD) so I couldn't resist.

After driving to Auckland and back 3 times this week (720km all up) in all kinds of weather, I can confirm they are very good, they look a lot nicer than the old ones, and during the brief times I got up to "80mph" while overtaking they did not seem to lift at all.
Callum Finch
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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:37 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I might have to pick up some myself.
I just got back from almost 1800kms of driving over the last week on highways in high winds and rain. The wipers barely touched the glass thanks to the wind!
Matthew Sharpe
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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 06:37 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Still very happy with mine, but then we have had nearly two weeks of nice weather so they haven't had much use. Yes, sometimes it doesn't rain in NZ! Its been bloody nice having a clean car for nearly two weeks too!

I love the way they have made the car look a bit more up to date too.
Mike Beck
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Friday, September 18, 2009 - 09:00 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I must get some!
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Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 01:35 am, by:  Chris Ryan (Ryzan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Installed some of these today, and they look and perform heaps better than my standard ones (haven't tested them at high speed yet though).

All ready for the wet season in good ol' Darwin town now.

Thanks for the info Phil.
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Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 06:51 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well I can confirm they don't lift at up to 160, but it was a sunny morning so I wasn't using them, just kept an eye on them to see if they moved at all, and they didn't.
Ken Yo
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Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 10:32 am, by:  Ken Yo (Khangz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was going to go twin blades, but the guy at Repco say that dirt gets in between the blades and can scratch your window.
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Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 12:58 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol i dont know if they are on the dot about this issue or not, but most people repco and supercheap employees know jack
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Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 01:19 pm, by:  Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah one tried telling me a heat shield was a head gasket lol
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Sunday, September 20, 2009 - 07:12 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They are called "Aerotwins", but they are actually a single blade. No idea why. I've had twinblades though and as long as you clean them when you wash your car they are no problem. Of course they don't really seem to do any better than a single blade so are pretty pointless.
David Vaughan
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Sunday, September 20, 2009 - 07:35 am, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dual-blades probably make no difference because each blade applies half the pressure of a single. In fact, given a single blade wipes the same point repeatedly anyway but twice as hard, duals are probably worse. I wonder whether anyone has ever tried to test that?
Adam Lonergan
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Sunday, September 20, 2009 - 09:32 am, by:  Adam Lonergan (Alchemistal) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Only benefit I can imagine with having two blades is that as your wipers ALWAYS finish on a downward stroke and the rubber/plastic tends to deform with age into a slightly bent position facing upwards as a result of this. Once they are deformed they don't work so well on the upwards stroke and you get a horrid bump as they bend when the upward stroke begins. Perhaps having two blades allows for one to deform and the other to remain relatively straight, giving you better performance later in the products life.
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Adam Lonergan wrote on Sunday, September 20, 2009 - 09:32 am:

Only benefit I can imagine with having two blades is that as your wipers ALWAYS finish on a downward stroke and the rubber/plastic tends to deform with age into a slightly bent position facing upwards as a result of this. Once they are deformed they don't work so well on the upwards stroke and you get a horrid bump as they bend when the upward stroke begins. Perhaps having two blades allows for one to deform and the other to remain relatively straight, giving you better performance later in the products life.



Just buy the cheapest rubbers available and replace them each year before winter.

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Aaron Casey
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Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 08:44 pm, by:  Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

half the time cheap ones are stuffed after a month especially if they dont get used much if it doesnt rain.
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Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 10:01 pm, by:  Owen Hayes (Ohayes) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Great find, was going to respray my fading wipers but this is a much better solution :-)

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