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Ben Socratous
DieHard
SA
Iv'e started to put my interior back together!!!
Posts: 507
Reg: 07-2005
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Right, Neil has finally got his act together  and is sending me some of these...
For the uninitiated, they are aerodynamic under trays, complete with venturis to direct air where it is meant to go. I will be organising the copying of these items (all things going well) and will have them available for sale here.
What I need to know is how many of you reckon you'd want a set, as that would influence how I make my mould.
At a 'guestimate', these from fibreglass would cost about $3-400, and $6-800 from carbon fibre. These figures may go up or down a bit, a lot, or stay about the same, I wont be able to give a firm price until the mould has been made.
As I said, just looking for eoi, and that's genuine eoi. Not meaning to sound like a prick, but I need to know who many of you think that you'd do this this year. If you're only going to put it on your wish list, don't post eoi here. As I said, I need to know around how many want them so the mould can be made to suit, ie I don't want to make a fully reinforced mould (DAYS involved, not just hours) if I'm only going to make 5-6 sets so this would help me out greatly.
Cheers |
Ben Socratous
DieHard
SA
Iv'e started to put my interior back together!!!
Posts: 508
Reg: 07-2005
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BTW, they's also be supplied as according to the picture. That is it would be up to you to drill the holes for the mounting points in the right places. As everyone seems to have a different front/rear bar, minor shape differences (accident damage, etc) I don't want to pre-drill the holes to suit my car only to have you find that it won't mate up to yours! |
Andrew Lovell
Tinkerer
NSW
V8 GT / TT
Posts: 22
Reg: 03-2006
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So your saying, roughly 400 for the front AND back in fibreglass?
Ide prefer the back only to be honest, i like being able to access my oil filter without too much fuss.
VERY interested
Would prefer a stained black fibreglass |
Ben Socratous
DieHard
SA
Iv'e started to put my interior back together!!!
Posts: 510
Reg: 07-2005
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Roughly. Yes, they will be black. Gel coated fibreglass, basically a layer of black resin, same finish as you would have a white boat.
And yes, I will do them as seperate pieces. I'll hive you all more info when I get them from Neil. |
Ben Socratous
DieHard
SA
Iv'e started to put my interior back together!!!
Posts: 512
Reg: 07-2005
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It is a sad, sad day for the modified panel industry today!
Just got told by one of my suppliers that Airbus has just about bled Australia (and everywhere else) dry of it's carbonfibre supplies to build their new jets. Now the only places that still have it in stock have nearly doubled the price!!! |
Neil Griffiths
Trader
NSW
MANUAL Super Charged UZZ31 
Posts: 2247
Reg: 07-2005
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Ben, one thing to consider in this is the FREIGHT..
That front panel is not going to be cheap to send.
I have to make some form of timber bracing for it before I can send.( otherwise it WILL get damaged in transit )
It bloody HUGE..
I will try to take pics of these HELD up under a Soarer. |
Ben Socratous
DieHard
SA
Iv'e started to put my interior back together!!!
Posts: 517
Reg: 07-2005
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Already working on that mate, got a few ideas running through my brain atm.
Good news, just got off the phone with a few contacts, turns out if I can jag a trade account with a certain firm, I can buy the carbon and KEVLAR composite, (pretty yellow and black checkers, think V8 supercar ducting) for only $14/m more than just the plain carbon!!! Only 2/3 weight for the equivalent strength carbon, and way more wank factor 
Any idea what the average ambient temperature could be that these will be subjected to? That will influence what type of resin chemistry that I use. |
Neil Griffiths
Trader
NSW
MANUAL Super Charged UZZ31
Posts: 2254
Reg: 07-2005
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Mmmmmm no more than say 40c I reckon !!
Has wind force cooling it.. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 5057
Reg: 11-2004
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Unless it sits idling for a while, or the car has just come off the track.
Ben, at what temperature ranges do things change? |
Dan McColl
Goo Roo
Victoria
UZZ-32 V8 Soarer #138
Posts: 1188
Reg: 07-2005
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And allow for oil leaks. |
Tim Appleton
TryHard
QLD
Soarer UZZ31 V8 GT-L
Posts: 191
Reg: 07-2005
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Oil shouldn't affect the resin.
Basic resins will withstand about 55-60 degrees C when stressed. There are others that will withstand more than 120 degrees C but they can be harder to work with.
Having said that, I wouldn't expect more than 50 degrees C unless there's exhaust running in close proximity to the tray. And there's not much stress on an undertray when sitting at idle. |
Ben Socratous
DieHard
SA
Iv'e started to put my interior back together!!!
Posts: 520
Reg: 07-2005
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I usualy only use the good stuff, unless I'm just doing a bit of testing. The basic polyester resin that I use can withstand a constant 75 degrees C.
The next level up is vinylester that apparently (guy in shop said, I've never tested this one) handles 95 degrees C.
Up one more level in heat resistance, and has WAY more structual strength is a fancy epoxy resin. This one only starts to lose its structual integrity above 125 degrees C. I have sucessfully used this one on a radio controlled boat hull that sported a blown whipper snipper motor with noz (this guy is a NUTTER!) and had no dramas.
A bit like body bog, it all comes down to the mix really. Polyester uses 50 parts resin to 1 part hardener, epoxy uses 4:1. If you start upping the strength or 'baking' it to speed up the drying time, it has a major effect on the finished product. Going one step further on this, there's a place out the north side of town that specialise in carbon racing yacht hulls, the room where they lay their matting and resin would rival Intel's clean room!!! |
Ben Socratous
DieHard
SA
Iv'e started to put my interior back together!!!
Posts: 521
Reg: 07-2005
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BTW, I will be able to source the materials at 23% less cost if I can jag that trade account. If I can't, I'll need someone with a car related business to fill in the form for me, Neiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil ??? |
Lars Olsson
Tinkerer
NSW
30 V8
Posts: 79
Reg: 08-2005
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Yer cool I want, let me know post though, if thats not going to cost the earth then I will eft you the money |
Ben Socratous
DieHard
SA
Iv'e started to put my interior back together!!!
Posts: 523
Reg: 07-2005
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No worries mate, I just have to get them first, then I can copy them, THEN I can quote a final price. I should be able to work out a deal with a few transport companies through work, only thing is that you'll probably need to go to their transport depo to collect them.
I have some ideas to make the packaging smaller and more efficient as well, so I will let you know how that goes. |
Steven Anderson
Tinkerer
NSW
Soarer UZZ31
Posts: 13
Reg: 05-2006
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in for fibreglass definately, as long as its not in the next 2 months so i can save the $$$.
One thing i found when people are doing the transport for things like that that can be stacked, the transport cost comes down massively when you get multiple parts because its divided up between many people but the price for actual shipping stays basically the same. |
Ben Socratous
DieHard
SA
Iv'e started to put my interior back together!!!
Posts: 525
Reg: 07-2005
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Already thought about stacking for multiple items to a similar destination.
No probs about time frame either, once I have the mould, its there forever! |
Dan McColl
Goo Roo
Victoria
UZZ-32 V8 Soarer #138
Posts: 1194
Reg: 07-2005
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Remember the original item is plastic and has no heat problems. |
Andrew Lovell
Tinkerer
NSW
V8 GT / TT
Posts: 23
Reg: 03-2006
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In regards to "stacking", we could get them sent to niles or neils, who evers closer, as when they do become available, ill be getting him to put it on anyway... Just a thought |
Ben Socratous
DieHard
SA
Iv'e started to put my interior back together!!!
Posts: 530
Reg: 07-2005
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Dan McColl wrote on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 02:43 am:Remember the original item is plastic and has no heat problems
All depends doesn't it? Try putting a plastic heatshield over the turbos and tell me that heat is no problem
Polyester resin will be fine, unless your car is absolutely worked off its tits, ie 350+ at the wheels, I can't see anything less generating enough heat down there (heat rises remember?) to cause a problem. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 5106
Reg: 11-2004
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Ben, Dan's point wasn't that plastic is heat proof, but that as the original is plastic, then presumably the heat level isn't enough to cause problems for the under tray.
Heat rises then finds the bonnet is shut and decides to look else where for an out. 
There is also the possibility of radiant heat, not just hot air, but I agree with Dan that if it was a problem, the OEM plastic ones would have had more problems. |
Lars Olsson
Tinkerer
NSW
30 V8
Posts: 80
Reg: 08-2005
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When you get this sorted call me my number is in my profile, forgot to say this before |
Matchy Loi
TryHard
VIC
GTT
Posts: 157
Reg: 06-2006
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What's happened with these? any idea of who makes these originally? |
Scott Gates
DieHard
SA
TT
Posts: 673
Reg: 03-2007
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Any pics of these held on a car? |
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